Summon Stud

[Pielorinho]

Get it drunk first.

Candy is dandy, eh?

I think Caliban is right: unless someone calls in the Holy Cow, it's not performing stud services effectively.

I'd lean toward letting this work, with the following restrictions:
* It must be done through a calling spell, such as Lesser Planar Ally.
* The Cow's God is going to be pretty skeeved about this.
* The cleric doing this better be doing it to fulfill the church's mission, or else a real celestial agent is going to be sent to put a stop to it.
* The half-celestial template won't breed true: past the first generation, it won't hold.
* The resulting magical beasts will have their own goals and ideals. Treating them as beasts of burden will be the moral equivalent of keeping slaves, and the gods will be very unhappy about any effort to do so. The magical beasts are likely to seek out their own path in life that doesn't involve the PCs.

That said, with all those restrictions, there could be an interesting story seed in here.

Daniel

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I'm not sure if the actual rules are important in this thread at this point , but...

If you breed a Celestial Horse with an ordinary Horse (let's assume the Celestial Horse is gated in, and thus very real), you do NOT get a Half-Celestial Horse.

The Half-Celestial template is not the result of a Celestial animal and ordinary animal mating. It's the result of a full Celestial (Solar, Planetar, Eladrin, etc.) mating with a mortal creature.

So, ignoring the fact that, as previously mentioned, the Half-Celestial template cannot be added to a creature with an Int less than 4, you'd have to gate in a Planetar, and have her mate with a horse, to get yourself a Half-Celestial horse.

So the first question becomes, what would you get if you mated a Celestial horse with a mortal horse? I don't think the rules cover it. Personally, since the Celestial template is described as being applied to creatures that live on the Celestial planes, I'd imagine it would depend on where the newborn lived. If it was born and raised on the Prime, it would take on the traits of an ordinary horse. If it were born and raised on Mount Celestia, it would take on the traits of a Celestial horse.

The second question is, would a summoned rather than gated creature be able to mate and produce offspring? Again, I'm not sure of any rules precedent, though I'd rule no. Summoned creatures are not actually present, and as with polymorph, I'd rule that any part of them separated from the whole would fade away into nothingness at the end of the spell's duration.

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

Since all of the difficulties here seem to surround the duration of the summoning spells, what would you say to a paladin's warhorse in this situation?

 

[Pielorinho]

Since all of the difficulties here seem to surround the duration of the summoning spells, what would you say to a paladin's warhorse in this situation?

Nay.
Daniel

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Since all of the difficulties here seem to surround the duration of the summoning spells, what would you say to a paladin's warhorse in this situation?

A paladin's mount creates an entirely different set of complications, since the mount does not have the Celestial template at all. It is basically an ordinarly horse with special abilities granted by the paladin, and lost if dismissed by him. So a paladin's mount could mate with an ordinary horse (since it is called and not summoned) but the offspring would be an ordinary horse.

Now if your paladin's mount was granted the celestial template by taking a feat (In the BOED there's a feat that does this,) then it'd be the same as a celestial horse mating with a prime material horse. But there'd still be no Half-Celestial template in the mix.

 

[Goobermunch]

So you may not be able to get a half-celestial horse out of the deal. But what about a half-celestial centaur.

--G

 

[Sejs]

So you may not be able to get a half-celestial horse out of the deal. But what about a half-celestial centaur.

The method imagined that led you to this conclusion frightens me on a very deep level.