Dragonlance Takhisis Revealed In New Dragonlance Preview Art

WotC has shared some new art of Takhisis, Dragonlance’s 5-headed dragon queen.

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Sacrosanct

Legend
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Yeah the Modern ones look way better. How some of you can say the ones below look similar compared to the old ones is beyond me.

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Easy. the body types are all the same. At least AD&D had variation in body types, ranging from muscular, to sleek, to fat. The above are all weightlifter on too much steroids. They also all went crazy with the jaggedness. They are all spiny. And almost all modern dragon illios have tattered wings. To me, modern dragons look a lot more similar to each other than the older versions did.

Kinda like fashion. In the 80s, you had spandex, Member's Only jackets, sweaters, preppies, madonna emulation, power suits, punk, stonewashed jeans, R&B, etc. all as unique fashion statements. Since 2000, there has been....what? Athleisure and hipster?
 

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Easy. the body types are all the same. At least AD&D had variation in body types, ranging from muscular, to sleek, to fat. The above are all weightlifter on too much steroids. They also all went crazy with the jaggedness. They are all spiny. And almost all modern dragon illios have tattered wings. To me, modern dragons look a lot more similar to each other than the older versions did.

Kinda like fashion. In the 80s, you had spandex, Member's Only jackets, sweaters, preppies, madonna emulation, power suits, punk, stonewashed jeans, R&B, etc. all as unique fashion statements. Since 2000, there has been....what? Athleisure and hipster?
So I don't really get how you can look at that and think this. Also none of the ones from 1e were sleek. They also don't look overly muscled too me at all.

Still art is subjective so even though I heavily disagree with your opinion it is valid.
 

Giantrollorc

Explorer
To me this art looks and feels too generic/ vanilla ,and most definitely too programmed for my tastes. Modern D&D art is almost too predictable nowadays, but it’s definitely crisp and clean and I get why they make the art like this for the masses.
 

Sacrosanct

Legend
Publisher
So I don't really get how you can look at that and think this.

Well, I don't think I'm being unreasonable or really out there to look at modern dragons and see them as overmuscled, jagged, with tattered wings. Since it's pretty clear they almost all have tattered wings, have jagged lines, and are all super muscled.... I mean, most of those things are objective, because we can count how many have tons of muscles, tattered wings, and jagged/spiny lines.
Also none of the ones from 1e were sleek.
Sleek means smooth (and glossy). I think these qualify.
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But it wasn't just sleek. As mentioned, there were other body types as well, like the Green's roundness, and the red's muscular. Looking at modern dragons, and they all have the same super muscled body type. I mean, look at them by comparison. Sure, liking one over the other is subjective, but I can't see how someone can say there is more body variation in modern dragon depictions than there was in AD&D days. That seems pretty objective by looking at actual body types of both eras. How many round/fat dragons are there in modern depictions? How many modern depictions are like that gold dragon above? How many modern dragons don't look like bodybuilders? What % of modern dragons have tattered wings compared to AD&D? Then simply compare the numbers. There you go.

*talking about the core dragons, for context (chromatic and metallic).
 


There's that old gag about the golden age of science fiction being thirteen. It may also be true for dragon illustrations. (I'm fond of the earlier edition images myself, but I have to admit there's greater technical accomplishment in the later ones, if only because a color Monster Manual would have broken the bank in 1st edition.)

It is possible the globalization of culture has led to a sort of convergence with everyone looking at the same mix of previous-edition D&D illustrations, manga and anime, Marvel and DC comics, and Hollywood Marvel movies, but Gygax and Co. just had whatever was in their library. So I'm not sure things have changed that much as far as uniformity.
 



Stormonu

Legend
I wonder why they picked a Tiamat and Bahamut clone for their opposing dragon gods. Have they ever said?
Not that I know of, but since the whole adventure path was supposed to revolve around getting more use out of dragons, pulling in the existing dragon gods and making it a war between the two seems logical (this was before Io, btw).

It would be interesting if the re-evisioned had pulled in Io and the neutral/gemstone dragons.
 

Stormonu

Legend
There's that old gag about the golden age of science fiction being thirteen. It may also be true for dragon illustrations. (I'm fond of the earlier edition images myself, but I have to admit there's greater technical accomplishment in the later ones, if only because a color Monster Manual would have broken the bank in 1st edition.)
Heresy! Didn't you color in your B&W D&D books back then??? (I did mine with colored pencils...)
 

DND_Reborn

The High Aldwin
I'm not fond of either image, actually. The armor looks horrible. Just what we want, more curves and prongs and useless crap...

The dragon heads don't look very good, either, especially the blue head... And the heads look oddly positioned.
 

darjr

I crit!
Not that I know of, but since the whole adventure path was supposed to revolve around getting more use out of dragons, pulling in the existing dragon gods and making it a war between the two seems logical (this was before Io, btw).

It would be interesting if the re-evisioned had pulled in Io and the neutral/gemstone dragons.
Then why make them "not" those dragons?
 



Stormonu

Legend
Then why make them "not" those dragons?
I believe the names of the DL deities came from one of the TSR designers existing campaigns (Jeff Grubb? - can't find the source), they probably took the two high gods and assigned them to Tiamat for the evil one and Bahumat for the good one. Besides, you can't copywrite Tiamat and Big B., but you can Takhisis & Palandine.
 


Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
(Sorry, tangent) I must confess that I find the classic color-coded feline-reptilian dragons a little bland. I think creatures such as Behir, Coaltl, Wyvern, Lung, Jormugandr, Sky Whales, Hydras etc could make more interesting and distinct dragons. I feel the difference between a blue dragon and a green dragon should be more than a color and breath type (and a different horn shape).

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(Sorry, tangent) I must confess that I find the classic color-coded feline-reptilian dragons a little bland. I think creatures such as Behir, Coaltl, Wyvern, Lung, Jormugandr, Sky Whales, Hydras etc could make more interesting and distinct dragons. I feel the difference between a blue dragon and a green dragon should be more than a color and breath type (and a different horn shape).

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Some of those are dragons in 5e (as in the dragon type), just not “true” dragons. I think there is room for all of them.
 

I wonder why they picked a Tiamat and Bahamut clone for their opposing dragon gods. Have they ever said?
They picked their primary gods before the Chromatic and Platinum Dragon where even named. Back when started the original campaign the Monster Manual for AD&D had not released. They based the two primary gods on the Dragon King the Platinum Dragon and Dragon Queen the Chromatic Dragon who did not have names in their original appearance, so Paladine and Takhisis were made up for them. When the Monster Manual came out, the creators did not fell like changing their original names for the two.
 
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