D&D 5E The best solution for longswords


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Oofta

Legend
I wonder if some day (once teleporters are invented) people will be having these sorts of debates about cars. "No, station wagons were used to transport people and baggage between train stations and homes; they weren't intended for families. That would be called a 'minivan' and was slightly taller, with sliding doors."

Try explaining that a station wagon is not a hatchback is not a because a station wagon is longer. When it's a little taller but not necessarily as long as a station wagon it's a crossover. If it's long and tall it's an SUV. An SUV is definitely in a different category than hatchback, they have nothing in common. Then there are pickup trucks ... watch their heads explode while repeatedly saying "It does not compute!"
 

Try explaining that a station wagon is not a hatchback is not a because a station wagon is longer. When it's a little taller but not necessarily as long as a station wagon it's a crossover. If it's long and tall it's an SUV. An SUV is definitely in a different category than hatchback, they have nothing in common. Then there are pickup trucks ... watch their heads explode while repeatedly saying "It does not compute!"
And that's when you hit 'em with an El Camino.

EDIT: Which I just learned is a specific type of coupé utility vehicle. The more you know!
 

Charlaquin

Goblin Queen (She/Her/Hers)
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What do you mean these are different vehicles?
 


Coroc

Hero
I think this is only true in fantasy. I think historically bastard swords were used two-handed or used from horseback.
Ahm thats what i wrote. "Hand and half" though is afaik naming convention dunno atm if of todays science only or also historical. It does not derive from fantasy only of that i am sure.
 

Coroc

Hero
On a different note: 1 and 1/2 handed style is totally neglected in dnd, which isna shame.
Well is there a style attached especially for bastard swords which you cannot do with 2 handed swords? (Pure one handed swords are out here of course because they lack the versatility). My knowledgd is that 1 1/2 derives from the lenght of the hiltwhich is designed so you can put 2 hands on it although sometimes the second hand surrounds the pommel eventually in some cases, other than with Zweihänders which more often than not hafe a hilt which could accomodate several hands more (about 0,5 m hilt length)
 

Well is there a style attached especially for bastard swords which you cannot do with 2 handed swords? (Pure one handed swords are out here of course because they lack the versatility). My knowledgd is that 1 1/2 derives from the lenght of the hiltwhich is designed so you can put 2 hands on it although sometimes the second hand surrounds the pommel eventually in some cases, other than with Zweihänders which more often than not hafe a hilt which could accomodate several hands more (about 0,5 m hilt length)
Exactly.
The longsword was usually used without a shield as I understand. The free hand (with gauntlet of course) was used to grasp for your own or even the enemy blade. Directly above the crossbar your sword was blunt so you could even thrust with the back of your sword.

These pictures sum it up quite well:


 


Faolyn

(she/her)
and there was a tool (musical instruments) that provided the exact same functionality as a skill (performance) but only made it applicable in a much smaller number of cases-- cases that were barely ever going to show up in the first place.
You can use Perform for things other than musical instruments (acting, oration, singing, etc.), but yeah, there's still too much overlap between the two.
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
There isn't anything medieval they call a short sword, and even Classical era swords like the gladius aren't that short. There are big daggers like the cinquedea but they're not swords.
The gladius is the prime example people use for a short sword, isn't it?

A gladius has a blade length of 18-27 inches. 1E gives a short sword as having a blade length from 15-24 inches, IIRC. So I think it's allowing for some other Ancient/Classical swords as well which were a little shorter.
 

S'mon

Legend
The gladius is the prime example people use for a short sword, isn't it?

A gladius has a blade length of 18-27 inches. 1E gives a short sword as having a blade length from 15-24 inches, IIRC. So I think it's allowing for some other Ancient/Classical swords as well which were a little shorter.
At least per ScholaGladiatoria/Matt Easton who I trust, gladius was around 28" blade length. I had previously thought they were shorter. Do you have a source esp for 18"?
 


Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
At least per ScholaGladiatoria/Matt Easton who I trust, gladius was around 28" blade length. I had previously thought they were shorter. Do you have a source esp for 18"?
The figures I'm finding online for the Pompeii Gladius are a 45-50cm blade- 17.7"-19.7". Four examples having been found at Pompeii, and more turning up elsewhere. The Mainz Gladius and Fulham Gladius I'm seeing 50-55 centimeters- between 19.7" and 21.7". Similar to the earlier Greek Xiphos.

The Gladius Hispaniensis had a blade of 24"-27" and was the longer version. I imagine that's what Easton was looking at and probably has a replica of.
 

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