The C&C poll

[Hairfoot]

I've bought the C&C books, but haven't started a game with them yet. My reason for seeking a 3.5 alternative is the sheer volume of rules, and the disappointment of running combats which play out over hours like an elaborate game of chess.

When it comes down to it, the super-fast levelling and dense combat is what I'm not enjoying about D&D. The rest of the system I quite like.

 

[Flynn]

Heh. I'm one of those not on the poll.... based on something my wife pointed out, I've decided to welcome D&D/d20 as my new overlord and simply strip out the bits from it that I don't like, and graft on some bits from C&C to it. Instead of adding d20 bits to C&C....

Kinda like dating some girl, and then breaking up with her and dating her sister.

So now instead of having C&C people wondering what the heck I'm doing, I'll have the d20 folks wondering the same thing. The more things change the more they stay the same.

If you don't mind, I'm interested in what you did to your version of the game, as I have had similar thoughts myself. Is there a website, a document or PDF that you could share with those interested? If so, please feel free to contact me directly via jason.flynn.kemp ~AT~ gmail.com, as I am very curious.

With Regards,
Flynn

 

[Dristram]

In fairness, that kind of thing should be in the rule book. If a game can't clearly relay to the consumer how it suposed to be played, then there's a huge problem.

You CAN'T be serious. If that is true, then 3.5 D&D has a mega-huge problem. I have yet to know of anyone to pick up a role-playing game a play it correctly the first few times, INCLUDING the latest version of D&D. Why do you think there are so many "Rules Discussions" areas on game related forums? All those people obviously purchased the book, yet have questions on the rules. It's natural and going to happen. And I've noticed it happens with C&C from those used to 3e D&D because it's very close in look and feel that the nuances of C&C rules may get missed and then misunderstood.

I think you just took an opportunity to take a jab at C&C.

 

[Dristram]

If you want to continue to attempt to troll me, do it via PM instead.

I feel partly responsible for your feelings here. I merely posted the suggestion because all old-school D&Ders I've known who tried C&C really enjoyed it and thought it brought back fond memories of the old days of D&D. And you being that type of gamer, your response made me think there might be something about the game you misunderstood.

I would not ask you to go to the forums and say "I don't like C&C because....", but more, "I tried C&C and it didn't go over well for me and my group. What we didn't care for was [insert stuff] and I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly." If you truly understood the rules, then C&C really isn't your cup of tea and that's cool. I just couldn't help and think there was something you were misunderstanding about C&C because it seemed like an odd response from a fellow old-schooler. That's all.

And like I've said, I would not believe C&C to be for everyone. But it is a viable alternative version of D&D.

 

[jdrakeh]

Yes because all the rules in 3.5 are clearly relayed for the consumer right and clearly there is no need for the rules forum here too right lol.

Man WHAT? First, I never said that the 3.5 rules didn't futher explanation. Never even suggested it. Second, these forums aren't publisher owned. They're fan forums exclusively. You seem to be spoiling for a fight by both putting words in my mouth and taking what I actually did post wildly out of context.

 

[Zulgyan]

Troll Lord Games made a BIG UPDATE in their web page!

www.trolllord.com

You can also download for free the C&C Quickstats Rules.

By the way, I was not trying to troll. Just trying to debate if C&C was or not broken. This is a discussion forum, ain't it? Wasn't trying to offend anyone. I said that it was totally okay if he didn't like C&C. But when he stated that C&C was broken, I asked him why because of curiosity and interest, not to fight.

 

[jdrakeh]

All those people obviously purchased the book, yet have questions on the rules.

Having questions about the rules isn't the same thing as not knowing how to play the game. The poster who I responded to suggested that people who had purchased, read, and played C&C but didn't like it didn't know how to play the game and, then, specifically directed those people to the C&C forums, indicating that this was where such information could be found. So to recap. . .

I WASN'T THE PERSON REFERING PEOPLE TO THE C&C FORUMS, SAYING THAT THEY WERE WHERE CONSUMERS NEEDED TO GO TO LEARN HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.

I think you just took an opportunity to take a jab at C&C.

Like the last guy I responded to, I think you're just taking an opportunity to put somebody else's words in my mouth and take what I actually did post entirely of context in lieu of an actual defense to the issue being raised.

 

[jdrakeh]

I just find the representation that 3.5 DnD was somehow better in that department amusing.

AGAIN, I never made that representation. You're just spoiling for a flamewar by putting your own words in the mouths of others.

 

[Dristram]

Having questions about the rules isn't the same thing as not knowing how to play the game. .

Heh, and I wasn't suggesting that he didn't know how to play the game as much as maybe misunderstood some thing(s) about it and to go to the forums to discuss it just to be sure it was the way he thought.

I knew a gaming group that after a year of playing 3.0, they finally found out they were playing it incorrectly. I also knew others that tried 3.0 once and almost gave up because they didn't like it, only to find out through explanation from me, they misunderstood how AoOs worked. Once explained to them, they liked it much better. Even my group used many of the 3.0 rules incorrectly the first few times we played. Eric Noah’s forum was instrumental in finding out these things. And, I'm still amazed that I see games todaywhere the 3.5 rules are done incorrectly and arguments are started at the gaming tables because of it.

This is all I meant by my suggestion.

 

[Grimstaff]

Troll Lord Games made a BIG UPDATE in their web page!

www.trolllord.com

You can also download for free the C&C Quickstats Rules.

Strait to the download:
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/ccqs.html