The City Beautiful - (Over)

khavren said:
So is this game filled or still open? it says recruiting full

well five said they were intrested, but not all have posted characters, so Im looking for a few alternates as well...

So far we have
Someone - a human Telepath
Mavnn - Elan Psiwarrior
Lotuseater - elven sorcerer/rogue
Steve Gorak - Elan Telepath/rogue
20dazz - ???
Khavren - ???


hmm anyone want to rethink their character or come up with a reason your are all togeather?
some sort of telepathic Cabal perhaps?

I still see this as more of a tweaking period - the party is too similar in roles.
 
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Evilhalfling said:
hmm anyone want to rethink their character or come up with a reason your are all togeather?
some sort of telepathic Cabal perhaps?

I still see this as more of a tweaking period - the party is too similar in roles.

Well, it's easy to fit the psychic folk together. I definitely think a Psychic cabal makes sence.

About the roles we have, I think the only thing that is really missing is a healer. What would you like to see as far as changes go?

Cheers,


SG
 

hey,

i've updated my character with the full list of skills and their modifiers. i don't think i'm short any skill points. i assumed i was a sorceror first and rogue second, so that's how i came up with the number.

as for the bonus skills, did you mean that we can get extra ranks in them? because i already have all the ones you list as class skills, so i didn't need to add anything.

as to my distribution, i may tweak it as you suggest, but to be quite honest, i think that they are too concentrated in a few areas, rather than not concentrated enough. the way i see my character, and what probably didn't come across in my too brief description of his background, is that he has been trained in a number of areas, but has not finished his training in any one.

i envision the elite protectors as an order of sentinels charged with protecting the interests of the nobility and ensuring peace in the city. any such organization would probably have certain members trained at getting information and performing their duties while remaining unseen, and that's the type of training that thaimon was receiving. i really want to emphasize his martial abilities, as a ranged fighter and someone who can strike quickly and efficiently when necessary. so he's something of a ninja type, but with some magical abilities as well. these aspects of keeping hidden have been further emphasized by his expulsion from the order and the influence of his uncle, who has been forced into hiding.

both thaimon and his uncle want to protect the peace and prosperity of the city, but they have lost faith in the leaders, many of whom have given into corruption.

as for the thieves' tools, i agree that they may be a little out of place. i really wanted to get a climber's kit, but i don't have the gold. but such tools could be useful for someone who's trained to get into and out of someplace quickly and silently.

anyway, i have to run, so i will finish this later. if anyone has any suggestion on how i might tweak my character to better complement the group without completing ditching him, let me know. i'm open to suggestions.

cheers,
lotuseater
 

Lotuseater - I found a varient that might work better, but it only works for your begining character, and not very well for advancement - at least the way you describe in the 2nd post.
Its a fighter Varient from Unearthed Arcana - You get 4 skills per level, and Bluff, Gather Info, knowledge local, and slieght of Hand as class skills- and you give up your first fighter bonus feat and both medium & heavy armor. As a fighter jump, climb, swim and Ride all now become class skills as well. If you take this first, then sorcerer you end up with + 2 skill points, +5 hp +1 BAB asssuming you take the exact same skills. This seems more like a protector to me.

Your second post describes more of a Rogue type, and in this case I don't understand why you went sorcerer first. It seems just as likely that you recieved physical training before your magical abilities showed up. And doing it that way would have enormous benfits for your skills.

If you are going to be primarily a ranged attacker, you really need to head for percise shot -
the way I play it If you fire into melee you take a -4, if this penalty causes you to miss you apply the orginal attack roll against whatever is providing cover - (frequently a friend)
percise shot nullifies this, and any city military would insist on it, unless you were primarily a solo operative.

For City Skills, you don't get extra ranks in them, but it means they are not crossclass. Your right It doesnt help the current build any. Spellcraft would be the obvious choice if you take rogue levels first.

as for skills, many cannot be used unless you have 1 rank in them (Trained only) including:
Decipher Script, Disable Device, Open Lock, Tumble, Use Magic Device
and what was the reasoning for ranks in ride and swim?

I hope these suggestions are helpful, as ultimately its you decision, as nothing you have violates the setting or rules.
 

I've started editing fluff into Sparrow, above.

For the history, is anyone interested in knowing her already?

For the psions (especially the other Elan) there is even the chance of having known her before her (relatively recent) transformation. It would be quite fun, given the change in personality she's experienced: before the change she was a power hungry revenge driven psion (telepath). Now, she's a caring, cheerful warrior who can't help but be augmented by the powerful psionic abilities of her elan body.
 

Mavnn said:
I've started editing fluff into Sparrow, above.

For the history, is anyone interested in knowing her already?

For the psions (especially the other Elan) there is even the chance of having known her before her (relatively recent) transformation. It would be quite fun, given the change in personality she's experienced: before the change she was a power hungry revenge driven psion (telepath). Now, she's a caring, cheerful warrior who can't help but be augmented by the powerful psionic abilities of her elan body.

Hey Mavnn,

I think it would make a lot of sense if our characters know each other. They could even have gone through the Elan changing ceremony (rebirth) at the same time (or even together). The other telepath (someone) could have ben part of the ceremony.
He could even be our guide/mentor to this new world.

If this is the case, we need to find a goal for our little group. Maybe we're all part of a religious order of Psions. Given their unusual abilities, this order could be affiliated with the elves, who would give it some form of semi-official recognition in exchange for assistance (this could help with fitting everybody together at the beginning). At the same time, this need for recognition from the Elves could be the source of frustration inside the order, whose goal could be to gain more independence. This could be the source of a lot of juicy political plots.

Anyways, this is an idea. What do y'all think?
Cheers,

SG
 

Steve Gorak said:
...Maybe we're all part of a religious order of Psions...

I'd prefer to avoid this bit. I actually like the idea of your transformation having been somewhat earlier, allowing you to have memories of Sparrow both before and after. If a recent transform is part of your history, however, then we could go with the part of the same group thing. It should be noted that Sparrow is not overly fond of the Elan council, though: with her new world view she views them as elitist powermongers. She might have respect for individual members, but not for the council as a whole.
 

Evilhalfling said:
Lotuseater - I found a varient that might work better, but it only works for your begining character, and not very well for advancement - at least the way you describe in the 2nd post.

Your second post describes more of a Rogue type, and in this case I don't understand why you went sorcerer first. It seems just as likely that you recieved physical training before your magical abilities showed up. And doing it that way would have enormous benfits for your skills.

If you are going to be primarily a ranged attacker, you really need to head for percise shot -

as for skills, many cannot be used unless you have 1 rank in them (Trained only) including:
Decipher Script, Disable Device, Open Lock, Tumble, Use Magic Device
and what was the reasoning for ranks in ride and swim?

I hope these suggestions are helpful, as ultimately its you decision, as nothing you have violates the setting or rules.


evilhalfling,

thanks for the advice. i've rethought my skill set and adjusted it more along the lines of how i would like it to look. i believe the main problem is that i did a lousy job of explaining what i was going for, as my original character writeup got accidently deleted. the fact is that i am trying to create a character that isn't very well focused. i just needed to do a better job of explaining that.

i agree that the varient fighter class you suggested might make a better protector. but the fact is my character never completed his training. so he should be weaker than a regular fighter might be.

here are two keys points about my character. first, as i said already, he was being trained as an elite protecter, a group of magic wielding sentinels trained to act as bodyguards/spies. However, he was thrown out for political reasons--although he always tended to resist authority as well--and then he continued his training with his uncle, becoming more rogueish and less warriorish. thus, his abilities and skills are not focused and are incomplete.

second, because of his family situation, a corrupt father, a virtuous uncle framed for crimes he didn't commit, thaimon has become disillusioned with the city's institutions and doesn't have anything he can believe in. he wants to do right, but doesn't know how to go about it. this disillusionment has caused him to lack focus in his career, and so he's not sure of what direction he's headed. i want him to be a character that will be shaped by events. i don't know where i want him to go, that depends on the story. he might even pick up another class.

for example, perhaps the party meets an npc, a higher level warrior who becomes a leader of the group. thaimon might naturally turn to this character for guidance, and ask to become his pupil and learn how to become a warrior from him.

or maybe some traumatic event will cause him to find religion, and he would devote himelf to become a cleric.

these might both be extreme examples, but i hope they illustrate my point. it's more likely that thaimon would continue as a sorceror/rogue, with the type of adventure indicating the types of skills/spells/feats that he would acquire. i think it will be quite interesting to play a character that is shaped by events rather than being focused on a narrow career path. of course the rest of the party should realize that he will be less powerful than he might otherwise be, but he should also be quite adaptable to many different situations.

so to address some of your more specific points:

i came very close to going down the precise shot path. again, if he were still an elite protector, that's the way i would go. but i sort of like this more scattered approach.

you are definitely right that i did a poor job of picking out my skills, though maybe not for the reasons that you were indicating. i ended up getting too focused on a few areas, so i have gone through and distributed my skill points around a little more haphazardly, to reflect the diversity of his training. i did leave ride in however. you know the geography better than i. i'm thinking that with his uncle in hiding, that might be a reason why he would have learned to ride. but if it's really not a skill you need in this geography, then i might dump it out.

and i picked up some ranks in gather information, assuming that was my bonus cross class skill.

as for why sorceror first, that's more about my own personal ideas on the nature of sorceror. i am a firm believer that if sorceror abilities naturally manifest themselves, it's not a class you should take later on. i know others view the situation differently, but i feel like sorceror is something you just are, and that rogue is something that you learn to be. so if i'm going to play a sorceror, that will always come first.

again, thanks for the advice. it helps to get feedback, and i think it's really forced me to do a better job of articulating the vision i have for my character. and please let me know if you have any further suggestions.

le
 

here's a separate post to discuss our party. to tell the truth, i've never played with psions before, and my knowledge of them is quite low. so perhaps we can just pass my ignorance onto my character. he might know little of them as well.

it seems to make sense that the psions previously know each other, but that thaimon has not met them before. perhaps circumstances can bring them together. i would even be willing to let you guys get started on the adventure first if it makes sense for me to meet you along the way. as steve suggested, my character also has a lot of potential for intriguing political plot lines, so that could be an easy explanation for them coming together. of course it all depends on what evilhalfling has planned, so maybe you can give us a little guidance here.

as for party roles, right now we are obviously quite psion/rogue heavy. but i don't think that's a bad thing. i think it's more likely that people with similar abilities and backgrounds would go out adventuring/campaigning together. that being said, it would be really nice to have some kind of healer. especially with thaimon sitting on six hp. maybe one of the latecomers might be willing to fill in that gap.

i think we have the makings of a pretty interesting group. i'm looking forward to see what evilhalfling has in store for us.

cheers,
lotuseater
 

Okay LE - that will work - you still need to adjust your elven weapon profiencies
and your spot/listen should only be at +2 total. Also in the final version If you could leave off all skills that only have ability modifiers, it would be much easier to read.
Your character still looks unfocused, but more understanably so.

Ill go open the Rogues gallery for characters - and link it to the first post of this thread.
 

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