The Expanse (Spoilers)

Stalker0

Legend
So the expanse just finished its season finale, and from all accounts the series finale as well. So how did it do?

It was pretty well known if you pay attention to the Internet that the show was never going to cover all of the remaining book material, and so a key question was....would the show really feel like an ending? Ultimately I was pretty happy with it, its clear that our heroes "fight on" and that there is still much to do, but as a snapshot in history it feels a satisfying conclusion, one period of history ends, only for a new one to begin. We see where the characters are, and have a decent picture of where they are going from here.

I appreciated the final battle with Marco's disguise ploy, it was a nice touch and a great way to show off his brilliance one more time. Though you can hate him, you have to respect that the guy was a genius in many ways. It wasn't just the charisma, he was a very capable battle commander.

The "weird dog" arc to me was the issue of the season. Its a book in the series and I respect the desire to include it, but considering you never get any real conclusion on it...it felt unnecessary. I think it was enough to know that the "entities" were out there, and that they could be a major threat in the future, and just leave it out that. Lacona ultimately had no real place in the major story nor was it really resolved on its own, and so considering the precious few minutes of runtime we were going to get this season, I wish they had scrapped that piece entirely for more detail on the remaining stuff. Then if another season is actually resurrected, than by all means cover some of those aspects.


The part that was both my biggest frustration at the time, and yet looking back I think was perfect, was Holden's disarming of the warhead. You could see it as a plot contrivance, a way to let the villain linger until the last big battle. But ultimately I think it was a great way to show a key selfish moment for Holden, a balance to his normally extremely self-sacrificing nature. At the end of the day, he didn't really do it for Naomi, and he certainly didn't do it for the cause. He did it because he couldn't stand to be that person to the woman he loved. Holden does have a little hero complex, and cannot be seen as a villain to his lady, no matter who else it might help. It was the absolute wrong decision to make, Marco ultimately killed many more people because of it.... and yet its a very human and understandable moment for the character.

Of course I'm left basically demanding more expanse, but in a world where good endings for shows seem nigh impossible, I think this one did pretty well.
 

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Ryujin

Legend
Odds are that most of the episodes were already in the can, when they got news that they were cancelled. Pretty typical stuff for a series that has the rug pulled out from under it, to not have everything neatly tied-up.
 

Vael

Hero
I haven't read past the second book and found this to be a solid series finale. Yeah, there's a major thread unresolved, but that's fine. The main thing that has impressed me is that The Expanse has some of the best action sequences for a sci-fi series. The space battles have been well choreographed. The final battle was really tense.

Overall, yeah, I'd have liked more, but so few series end cleanly that I'm happy with this resolution.
 

Stalker0

Legend
Oh the other thing I wanted to compliment the show on was the small nods to Alex. Far too often on a show, a character gets killed, and they are never spoken of again.

But I loved the little things in the show: Amos and Bobbie talked about Alex's music, or commenting on how Alex loved the name rocinante...just little drops to show that these people still think about their fallen friend every so often....because that's how real people actually behave.
 

Ryujin

Legend
Oh the other thing I wanted to compliment the show on was the small nods to Alex. Far too often on a show, a character gets killed, and they are never spoken of again.

But I loved the little things in the show: Amos and Bobbie talked about Alex's music, or commenting on how Alex loved the name rocinante...just little drops to show that these people still think about their fallen friend every so often....because that's how real people actually behave.
... listening to his playlist while working and it just seeming natural to do...
 

payn

Legend
Odds are that most of the episodes were already in the can, when they got news that they were cancelled. Pretty typical stuff for a series that has the rug pulled out from under it, to not have everything neatly tied-up.
It does seem likely. Feels like they were eventually building up to ep 6 but it came sooner than expected.

he "weird dog" arc to me was the issue of the season. Its a book in the series and I respect the desire to include it, but considering you never get any real conclusion on it...it felt unnecessary. I think it was enough to know that the "entities" were out there, and that they could be a major threat in the future, and just leave it out that. Lacona ultimately had no real place in the major story nor was it really resolved on its own, and so considering the precious few minutes of runtime we were going to get this season, I wish they had scrapped that piece entirely for more detail on the remaining stuff. Then if another season is actually resurrected, than by all means cover some of those aspects.
The Laconia stuff has a big impact on the next three books that the series isnt getting to. It also takes place 30 years in the future. Maybe, in a decade or two they will come back and finish the story?
 

Mallus

Legend
I thought it ended well. Show-Holden has his most Holden-like moment right at the end, and it was magnificent. I noticed Peaches was given 5 years to live by the auto-doc. This gives me hopes for a series or set of films that adapt the last three books in the near future. I took it as the authors saying "we're not committed to that 30-year time skip"...

So that glimpse of a Magnetar-class battleship coming through the gate we saw in the previews was a fake-out? I was a little concerned about Duarte helping Marco further, as it seemed a betrayal of the character. Was relieved when he dumped Marco on tightbeam Zoom.
 

Ryujin

Legend
I thought it ended well. Show-Holden has his most Holden-like moment right at the end, and it was magnificent. I noticed Peaches was given 5 years to live by the auto-doc. This gives me hopes for a series or set of films that adapt the last three books in the near future. I took it as the authors saying "we're not committed to that 30-year time skip"...

So that glimpse of a Magnetar-class battleship coming through the gate we saw in the previews was a fake-out? I was a little concerned about Duarte helping Marco further, as it seemed a betrayal of the character. Was relieved when he dumped Marco on tightbeam Zoom.
Definite, "You're breaking up with me by PHONE?!" vibes.
 




Mort

Legend
Supporter
The finale had a really fun Easter Egg. Not going to get too spoilery, but, at one point there was a team of commandos assembled and the writers had a lot of fun putting together a really "impressive" list of those commandos!
 

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briggart

Explorer
I'm not sure if the Spoilers tag means just the show or also the books, so I won't go into details, but the decision to include the Strange Dogs storyline felt weird to me. By all accounts, they knew going into season 6 that this would be the last, so why include it into an already cramped season? That plotline is totally separated from everything else and its main purpose is to set up things that would be relevant in books 7-9. Also, it would be easy to slightly alter the timeline so that those events happened shortly after the war, and could have easily been moved to an eventual season 7, or skipped if the show stopped at 6. Instead they felt they had to film those, which I guess did incur a not negligible cost since it required new actors, sets, assets, etc. Moreover they wanted to show it in the main episodes, rather than as the bonus content. It's likely wishful thinking, but this makes me fell that more expanse is coming.
 

MarkB

Legend
I'm not sure if the Spoilers tag means just the show or also the books, so I won't go into details, but the decision to include the Strange Dogs storyline felt weird to me. By all accounts, they knew going into season 6 that this would be the last, so why include it into an already cramped season? That plotline is totally separated from everything else and its main purpose is to set up things that would be relevant in books 7-9. Also, it would be easy to slightly alter the timeline so that those events happened shortly after the war, and could have easily been moved to an eventual season 7, or skipped if the show stopped at 6. Instead they felt they had to film those, which I guess did incur a not negligible cost since it required new actors, sets, assets, etc. Moreover they wanted to show it in the main episodes, rather than as the bonus content. It's likely wishful thinking, but this makes me fell that more expanse is coming.
If nothing else, it feels like a bid to leave the door open for more series / movies.
 


Staffan

Legend
The finale had a really fun Easter Egg. Not going to get too spoilery, but, at one point there was a team of commandos assembled and the writers had a lot of fun putting together a really "impressive" list of those commandos!
OK, other than the leads, I can ID 17 of those names. Any help with the rest?
Ackbar - Star Wars
Quaid - Total Recall
Idaho - Dune
Bowman - 2001
Shepard - Mass Effect
Ripley, Vasquez, Hicks, Hudson - Aliens
Deckard - Blade Runner
O'Neil - Stargate
Rico - Starship Troopers
Starr - Spaceballs
Thrace - Battlestar Galactica
Connor - Terminator
Flynn - Tron
Riker - Star Trek TNG
 

MarkB

Legend
OK, other than the leads, I can ID 17 of those names. Any help with the rest?
Ackbar - Star Wars
Quaid - Total Recall
Idaho - Dune
Bowman - 2001
Shepard - Mass Effect
Ripley, Vasquez, Hicks, Hudson - Aliens
Deckard - Blade Runner
O'Neil - Stargate
Rico - Starship Troopers
Starr - Spaceballs
Thrace - Battlestar Galactica
Connor - Terminator
Flynn - Tron
Riker - Star Trek TNG
The rest were the members of Burton's squad, and had an actual on-screen appearance, so they presumably didn't get easter-egg names.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
OK, other than the leads, I can ID 17 of those names. Any help with the rest?
Ackbar - Star Wars
Quaid - Total Recall
Idaho - Dune
Bowman - 2001
Shepard - Mass Effect
Ripley, Vasquez, Hicks, Hudson - Aliens
Deckard - Blade Runner
O'Neil - Stargate
Rico - Starship Troopers
Starr - Spaceballs
Thrace - Battlestar Galactica
Connor - Terminator
Flynn - Tron
Riker - Star Trek TNG

 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest (he/him)
Odds are that most of the episodes were already in the can, when they got news that they were cancelled. Pretty typical stuff for a series that has the rug pulled out from under it, to not have everything neatly tied-up.
From what I'm reading, that's unlikely. The series was renewed for a sixth and final season in November 2020, filming starting in January 2021. They knew going in it was the final season.
I think rather than the stuff on Lacona being an unfinished story line because of cancellation, it is a dangling thread to use as a potential spin-off.
 

payn

Legend
From what I'm reading, that's unlikely. The series was renewed for a sixth and final season in November 2020, filming starting in January 2021. They knew going in it was the final season.
I think rather than the stuff on Lacona being an unfinished story line because of cancellation, it is a dangling thread to use as a potential spin-off.
Right, likely leaving it open to the unlikely possibility of getting a ratings and/or fan save. It does feel like they expected to have more than 6 episodes for the season tho. Pacing feels very odd in the last few eps.
 

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