The "I Didn't Comment in Another Thread" Thread

[Cadence]

Yes, as long as you don't start a Black Magic ritual to actually inflict it upon said person.

I'm now imagining a really dark update of "I Dream of Jeannie"...

 

[Ryujin]

I'm now imagining a really dark update of "I Dream of Jeannie"...

Coming in Winter 2023: Zack Sneider's "I Dream of Jeannie"!

Bottle Service will never be the same....

 

[trappedslider]

I actually like Synder's DC movies, but I can understand why don't like his approach.

 

[Cadence]

I actually like Synder's DC movies, but I can understand why don't like his approach.

I haven't seen his mainline DC movies.

I'm a huge Watchmen comic fan and was pleased with his movie of it.

 

[prabe]

I haven't seen his mainline DC movies.

I'm a huge Watchmen comic fan and was pleased with his movie of it.

I was pleased, then I wasn't.

 

[Ryujin]

I haven't seen his mainline DC movies.

I'm a huge Watchmen comic fan and was pleased with his movie of it.

Hi style fits the narrative, for that one. Batman too, for the most part. Maybe JL Dark too, if it's ever made. Definitely not something like Superman or Captain Marvel (lawsuit or not, he was Captain Marvel when I was a kid).

 

[Gradine]

To be honest though, that's rarely the way it goes. It's almost never "Oh, I don't like this thing" and leave it at that. It's almost always, " I don't like this thing because A, B and C." and then get all bent out of shape when A is demonstrably untrue, B is only true from a certain point of view and C is true but largely irrelevant to the conversation.

There are just so many buzzword arguments like this. It's "-amey", videogamey, samey, boardgamey, take your pick.

So again, your problem is with the phrasing. "Boardgamey". "WoW-like". "Dissociated mechanics". "Shouting arms back on." These are pithy, tropey, sometimes hyperbolic descriptors that people have latched on to explain their disconnect with the game. And while these different descriptors may be varying levels of objectively accurate (which is dicey enough a proposition to entertain in the first place), the feelings being communicated through them are completely subjective and valid.

To take it point by point:
"A is demonstrably untrue" - See above. I think "demonstrably" is pulling a lot of weight in the conversation, but for the sake of the argument, even if this or that mechanic isn't, at least definitionally, "dissociated", again, the accuracy of the term matters less than the valid feeling underlying it.
"B is only true from a certain point of view" - Yes. Theirs. That seems self-evident.
"C is true but largely irrelevant to the conversation" - To steal a turn of phrase, but what is or isn't irrelevant varies depending on the "point of view". Do you have any idea how mad I was at 4e when they got rid of the Profession skills? And separated and codified Knowledge? I'm literally still not over it. How relevant that (or any other particular irritation) is to the overall quality of a game is going to be, er, up for interpretation.

That said, it's always helpful when arguing on the internet to translate people's statements of fact into their opinions. When I say "Dungeon World is trash" what I'm really saying is shorthand for "I don't really like Dungeon World very much", not that Dungeon World is a trash game for trash people who should be ashamed for liking such trash. I mean, c'mon. It's not pineapple on pizza.

But what actually happens is someone starts dumping on EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION with the same gripe, over and over and over again, endlessly. It gets really tiring after a while.

I mean, this is fair though.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

But what actually happens is someone starts dumping on EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION with the same gripe, over and over and over again, endlessly. It gets really tiring after a while.

I mean, this is fair though.

So true.

As people say, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Well, maybe not people. Maybe just my High School history teacher.

 

[CleverNickName]

So again, your problem is with the phrasing. "Boardgamey". "WoW-like". "Dissociated mechanics". "Shouting arms back on." These are pithy, tropey, sometimes hyperbolic descriptors that people have latched on to explain their disconnect with the game. And while these different descriptors may be varying levels of objectively accurate (which is dicey enough a proposition to entertain in the first place), the feelings being communicated through them are completely subjective and valid.

I've had to deal with a lot of these statements in the past couple of years, and I agree with you--these descriptors can be problematic but the feelings are usually valid. I found that these tropey, hyperbolic descriptions only have as much power as we give them.

For example, Eberron has a certain...vibe to it. And we just wrapped up a two-year campaign in Eberron. Every now and then, someone at the table* would smirk and say something about "this is just like Final Fantasy," and I would shrug and say "Yeah, it kinda is. Is that a problem?" And of course there wasn't a problem, and we'd move on. If people discussed it further, it was to mention things they enjoyed about FF and D&D and how they overlap in Eberron. The heckler just wanted his opinion to be acknowledged, and that's easy enough to do.

So yes...sometimes arguing happens because someone keeps saying "Eberron is just like Final Fantasy." Other times, the arguing happens because someone else doesn't want to hear people saying it. In both cases, it's helpful to be the voice in the room that says "I agree, is that a problem?"

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*This person is well-known for their hatred of anime, JRPGs, and all things of that genre. So it came up a lot.

 

[trappedslider]

(lawsuit or not, he was Captain Marvel when I was a kid).