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My Indiana Jones Stalker
Being a true history by Bruce Baugh

This happened mostly on RPG Net, more than a decade ago. It followed in the wake of the cobringing fun a bunch of folks had with White Wolf’s game Adventure, which Andrew Bates and I co-developed. Every so often someone would ask a question about how the game worked, and sometimes I’d answer with an explanation.

Questions were (and are) most likely to involve what we called dramatic editing, a system for players to do some rewriting of the game world around the characters in the characters’ favor. The GM could also use it to spin out complications on the fly in a structured way. Each character, and the GM, has a pool of Inspiration points which grows and shrinks during play; dramatic edits cost more as you move from “I’ve definitely got this thing I need in my pocket” through “and that’s how we miraculously survived our car going off the cliff at the end of last session” and beyond.

Being me, I often illustrated the kind of thing we had in mind with examples from Raiders of the Lost Ark. It was the list movies we aspired to make possible to play out with our game (and we mostly succeeded, I think). For instance, at the start of the movie, when Belloq takes the idol from Jones and says “You could warm them…if only you spoke Hovito.”, there’s a strategic use of a small focused dramatic edit. Normally, we’d expect Jones’ player to make a roll to see whether he could manage at least a few words of Hovito, but now that’s blocked. (The player gets a compensatory benefit.)

And as I explained that one day, the roof fell in.

So there was this guy I’d known for a decade or so, thanks to the amateur press association Alarums & Excursions and then Usenet, and got along with pretty well. He was prone to occasional bouts of nasty outbursts followed by being offline a few days or weeks and then coming back on an even keel again. I could already recognize the signs of recurrent stress, likely underlain by recurrent physical and/or mental health trouble. But he’d never before lashed out at me. Until this day.

He lashed out with startling intensity. How dare I say such a thing?

I was boggled. How dare I say what?

Gradually I worked out that he was offended at my example because I was giving people a completely wrong view of filmmaking.

I…what?

Screenwriters don’t use game-type mechanics at all. They just write, and consult and revise. Writing a script is nothing like playing a roleplaying game.

Well, yeah. No kidding.

The blast went on and on. I knew that. I was using the events of the film to illustrate how one might use Adventure to play out events of the same kind. (If they’d unclear to anyone reading this, let me know, please. I like to check my assumptions and often enough discover they were wrong.) no explanation of mine helped anything.

Eventually the moderators stepped in, the blast got smothered, and life went on.

Until, that is, a few days later and a different thread, when he showed up to make basically the same rant, albeit less energetically. I made an explanation for others and let it go.

And it happened again and again through the next year. Same obsession: I was cheating Adventure players out of an honest understanding of screenwriting with this self-aggrandizing swiping of credit. I knew to keep engagement to a minimum and by now he wasn’t sustaining the flames, so no such moment lasted and I was more baffled than angered or distressed.

He brought it up elsewhere, too. I don’t remember now if it happened here at all, but I do remember he interjected into Usenet and the game’s mailing list. Where there were moderators, they shut him now, and where not, I did my part by not sustaining anything. He’d show up just about anywhere I might be posting, on subjects from science fiction fandom to history, but never lingered long.

Gradually his interventions became less frequent, and finally he went offline for several years. I regretted whatever was going wrong on his end to spark so much outbursts but enjoyed relief from there.

Then he came back, in substantially worse style. He went after me in, as I recall, a thread about Trinity or Vampire over the same Adventure non-issue. He went off on others with the same intensity and lack of evident sense and comprehension. It didn’t take him very long to earn a perma-ban from Big Purple, and he soon after dropped out of sight in other venues as well.

I’ve never crossed paths with him again. Out of unhappiness for the lost friendship, I used to do Deja News and Google searches for him every year or two, but gradually stopped. I fear that he may have died or been institutionalized or suffered some other ghastly fate and I kind of don’t want to know. So I don’t - nobody has ever brought him or his later circumstances up around me.

And that’s how Indiana Jones brought me a stalker.
 

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That's--special, Bruce. I mean, everyone has seen someone on the Net with some kind of issue sooner or later, but its really unfortunate when someone goes off the rails that badly, especially if they've seemed sort-of okay in other contexts.
 

Reminds me of the only person I've ever had to put on Ignore. He was deeply, personally, profoundly offended that I had mentioned similarities between the World of Warcraft MMORPG and a certain edition of D&D, and he couldn't get past it. So great was this offense that he hounded me for days, demanding that I cite examples for him to pick apart and then demanding an apology for each. The dude would DM me, even follow me into other threads, repeating his demands and accusing me of cowardice if I ignored him. Ugh.

I like to think that when he figured out I put him on Ignore---when he realized that I would never see his posts or messages ever again and there was nothing he could do about it---I like to think he got so mad about it that he ruined his pants.
 
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Reminds me of the only person I've ever had to put on Ignore. He was deeply, personally, profoundly offended that I mentioned similarities between the World of Warcraft MMORPG and a certain edition of D&D, and he couldn't get past it. So great was this offense that he hounded me for days, demanding that I cite examples for him to pick apart and then demanding an apology for each. The dude would DM me, even follow me into other threads, repeating his demands and accusing me of cowardice if I ignored him. Ugh.

I like to think that when he figured out I put him on Ignore---when he realized that I would never see his posts or messages ever again and there was nothing he could do about it---I like to think he got so mad about it that he ruined his pants.
But... but... YOU MUST EXPLAIN!!! :p
 

Reminds me of the only person I've ever had to put on Ignore. He was deeply, personally, profoundly offended that I mentioned similarities between the World of Warcraft MMORPG and a certain edition of D&D, and he couldn't get past it. So great was this offense that he hounded me for days, demanding that I cite examples for him to pick apart and then demanding an apology for each. The dude would DM me, even follow me into other threads, repeating his demands and accusing me of cowardice if I ignored him. Ugh.

I like to think that when he figured out I put him on Ignore---when he realized that I would never see his posts or messages ever again and there was nothing he could do about it---I like to think he got so mad about it that he ruined his pants.

Based on the description, I am assuming that the person is no longer around to be ignored. Because I also ignored a very similar person who got banned.

Weirdly, I later ignored someone who acted exactly the same as that person, who also got banned!
 

Based on the description, I am assuming that the person is no longer around to be ignored. Because I also ignored a very similar person who got banned.

Weirdly, I later ignored someone who acted exactly the same as that person, who also got banned!
Quelle surprise!
 

Quelle surprise!

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Based on the description, I am assuming that the person is no longer around to be ignored. Because I also ignored a very similar person who got banned.
Yep. A few years ago I was tinkering around in my EN World profile and noticed the user's name had a strikethru on it. I assumed that odious sealion had been permanently banned, so I deleted him from my Ignore list.

Weirdly, I later ignored someone who acted exactly the same as that person, who also got banned!
What a strange and wacky coincidence!

Seriously though, it's unbelievable that people think that creating a new account can circumvent a permanent ban. As if the moderators aren't real people with real brains, as if the mods can't recognize behavior patterns or compare IP addresses.

Them: "Silence me, will ya? We'll just see about that!"
Them: (creates new account)
Them: (repeats the same garbage that got them banned in the first place)
Them: "B...b...banned again? How did they know it was me?! I changed my handle and everything!"

Me, watching quietly:
King Of The Hill No GIF
 

Yep. A few years ago I was tinkering around in my EN World profile and noticed the user's name had a strikethru on it. I assumed that odious sealion had been permanently banned, so I deleted him from my Ignore list.


What a strange and wacky coincidence!

Seriously though, it's unbelievable that people think that creating a new account can circumvent a permanent ban. As if the moderators aren't real people with real brains, as if the mods can't recognize behavior patterns or compare IP addresses.

Them: "Silence me, will ya? We'll just see about that!"
Them: (creates new account)
Them: (repeats the same garbage that got them banned in the first place)
Them: "B...b...banned again? How did they know it was me?! I changed my handle and everything!"

Me, watching quietly:
King Of The Hill No GIF
People like that have to be a little more creative, when I ban them. Repeat offenders get treated like spam advertisers which means that not only is their IP blocked from access, but all of their posts go POOF too.
 


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