The mandalorian [Spoilers]

[Zardnaar]

I couldn’t tell you what episode literally anything is from, ever. Not how my brain works. I don’t know the title or number of literally any episode of anything I’ve ever watched, even my very favorite things.

I rewatched Rebels a week or two ago.

I don't remember the Bendu going darkside.

 

[Maxperson]

I rewatched Rebels a week or two ago.

I don't remember the Bendu going darkside.

Google doesn't say that he did, either.

 

[Zardnaar]

Google doesn't say that he did, either.

Yeah they're basically recanonized grey Jedi and non Jedi/Sith force users.

 

[pukunui]

I couldn’t tell you what episode literally anything is from, ever. Not how my brain works. I don’t know the title or number of literally any episode of anything I’ve ever watched, even my very favorite things.

OK. That is how my brain works, and I don't recall Bendu being proven wrong in any way, shape or form. Unless you meant his philosophy has been proven wrong in some other part of the Star Wars media and not directly on the show?

I think what it boils down to is this: in the past, George Lucas said that the dark side was like a cancer and that "balance" meant eliminating it all together. However, the EU brought in the dualistic idea of balance meaning equal light and dark sides, and Disney seems to have gone with that interpretation. But there were elements of the latter interpretation in Clone Wars even before George sold out -- see the "Mortis" trilogy of episodes from season 3 of Clone Wars, which were referenced in one of the last episodes of Rebels.

To save you hunting, this story involves three powerful "Force wielders": the Daughter, who represents the "light side"; the Son, who represents the "dark side"; and the Father, who maintains the balance between the two.

Incidentally, Ahsoka dies in the Mortis trilogy and is brought back to life by the Daughter, who sacrifices her life. That's why Ahsoka has that little owl creature that follows her around. Some people are even theorizing that Ahsoka is the Daughter -- or at least has taken her place as the "goddess" of the light side of the Force.

Bendu in Rebels also refers to the light side as "ashla", which Ahsoka uses as her alias while hiding from the new Empire in her eponymous novel. "Ashla" and "bogan" (for the dark side) were also the original terms Lucas came up with for the two sides of the Force.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure Lucas ever really made up his mind about what bringing balance to the Force actually meant. He seems to have changed his own interpretation over the years.

 

[Zardnaar]

OK. That is how my brain works, and I don't recall Bendu being proven wrong in any way, shape or form. Unless you meant his philosophy has been proven wrong in some other part of the Star Wars media and not directly on the show?

I think what it boils down to is this: in the past, George Lucas said that the dark side was like a cancer and that "balance" meant eliminating it all together. However, the EU brought in the dualistic idea of balance meaning equal light and dark sides, and Disney seems to have gone with that interpretation. But there were elements of the latter interpretation in Clone Wars even before George sold out -- see the "Mortis" trilogy of episodes from season 3 of Clone Wars, which were referenced in one of the last episodes of Rebels. To save you hunting, this story involves three powerful "Force wielders": the Daughter, who represents the "light side"; the Son, who represents the "dark side"; and the Father, who maintains the balance between the two.

Incidentally, Ahsoka dies in the Mortis trilogy and is brought back to life by the Daughter, who sacrifices her life. That's why Ahsoka has that little owl creature that follows her around. Some people are even theorizing that Ahsoka is the Daughter, or rather, is the representative of the light side. Something akin to a goddess.

In legends they followed that up and added the mother.

She is a force entity and is basically an elder evil/goddess/ cthulhu type figure.

Luke could deal with her put it that way. It was one of the last story arcs they were focusing more on Luke's kid and Niece at that point.

Even Lucas was moving away from his cancer comments in the Clone Wars before he sold it.

 

[pukunui]

In legends they followed that up and added the mother.

She is a force entity and is basically an elder evil/goddess/ cthulhu type figure.

Luke could deal with her put it that way. It was one of the last story arcs they were focusing more on Luke's kid and Niece at that point.

Really? Is that from a book? Comic? Video game?

Personally I prefer the Force without gods, but I do like the idea of Force-wielding super beings that could be worshipped as gods.

Evenucas was moving away from his cancer comments in the Clone Wars before he sold it.

Yeah, exactly.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I rewatched Rebels a week or two ago.

I don't remember the Bendu going darkside.

It doesn’t, you’re right. It’s the one single example that doesn’t, so far.

 

[Zardnaar]

Really? Is that from a book? Comic? Video game?

Personally I prefer the Force without gods, but I do like the idea of Force-wielding super beings that could be worshipped as gods.


Yeah, exactly.

Book series, I can post them up if you want. They're ok, previous series was a lot better.

They were really going into the origins of the Jedi, the force and ancient past towards the end of legends. We'll see how much Tython follows Legends Tython.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

OK. That is how my brain works, and I don't recall Bendu being proven wrong in any way, shape or form. Unless you meant his philosophy has been proven wrong in some other part of the Star Wars media and not directly on the show?

I think what it boils down to is this: in the past, George Lucas said that the dark side was like a cancer and that "balance" meant eliminating it all together. However, the EU brought in the dualistic idea of balance meaning equal light and dark sides, and Disney seems to have gone with that interpretation. But there were elements of the latter interpretation in Clone Wars even before George sold out -- see the "Mortis" trilogy of episodes from season 3 of Clone Wars, which were referenced in one of the last episodes of Rebels.

To save you hunting, this story involves three powerful "Force wielders": the Daughter, who represents the "light side"; the Son, who represents the "dark side"; and the Father, who maintains the balance between the two.

Incidentally, Ahsoka dies in the Mortis trilogy and is brought back to life by the Daughter, who sacrifices her life. That's why Ahsoka has that little owl creature that follows her around. Some people are even theorizing that Ahsoka is the Daughter -- or at least has taken her place as the "goddess" of the light side of the Force.

Bendu in Rebels also refers to the light side as "ashla", which Ahsoka uses as her alias while hiding from the new Empire in her eponymous novel. "Ashla" and "bogan" (for the dark side) were also the original terms Lucas came up with for the two sides of the Force.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure Lucas ever really made up his mind about what bringing balance to the Force actually meant. He seems to have changed his own interpretation over the years.

I was mixing up the bendu and the wierd force family, but also yes, every mortal creature that tries to be “grey” goes dark, so the bendu is wrong. Period.

And the EU is wholly irrelevant. I don’t buy that Disney is going with the terrible EU concept of a dualistic force. They seem, to me, to be referencing the idea as a thing some people in the world believe, not as a thing that is actually true.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yeah they're basically recanonized grey Jedi and non Jedi/Sith force users.

No, they haven’t. Non-Jedi/Sith, sure. Not grey Jedi.