D&D General The Monsters Know What They're Doing ... Are Unsure on 5e24

[Xenolith234]

I think it's less people being called a bad DM and more as I said before

The imbalance and lack of parity within D&D classes which are the most important part of player play.

I really don't think racist and species is the big issue.

It's the classes.

Not everybody likes playing every class and some people are bored with the class because they might have played already or they're looking for something new.

But if you cut down their options for the classes that they're willing to play out their interests of your setting is zero zilch nada nothing.

I’m way more likely to cut a race/species or spell(s) than a class, though I could see an argument for only having Wizard as the arcane caster (haven’t been in that thread so don’t know the points being made).

 

[mamba]

I think at least to me, "yet WotC are the only ones offering a TTRPG within that D&D genre somehow" reads differently than you thought it did; that's why I asked if it was intended as sarcasm.

the ‘yet’ referred to the genre being the most popular and somehow despite that D&D being the only game in it, which is definitely not the case. For context, see the sentences before and after

So that genre is pretty wide and many other games also operate in it.

D&D does not outsell everyone else by a wide margin because most people prefer that genre over any other and yet WotC are the only ones offering a TTRPG within that D&D genre somehow. They outsell everyone else because of brand recognition, marketing and distribution channels.

in any case, we agree that there are a lot more games than just D&D in the same genre

 

[Minigiant]

I’m way more likely to cut a race/species or spell(s) than a class, though I could see an argument for only having Wizard as the arcane caster (haven’t been in that thread so don’t know the points being made).

The point that I was making is that banning a species or a spell is a small factor.

However banning a class is a big deal. And banning many classes is a huge deal. Feel banning many classes would get many players to not want to play at your table and create a situation where that DM would have to accept many players rejecting them.

 

[tetrasodium]

The point that I was making is that banning a species or a spell is a small factor.

However banning a class is a big deal. And banning many classes is a huge deal. Feel banning many classes would get many players to not want to play at your table and create a situation where that DM would have to accept many players rejecting them.

Really? I present evidence to the contrary. artificer

They are regularly banned in fr games as a reflex and tossed out in discussions to note they are not allowed on someone's game as their first mention. Going beyond that I couldn't even guess how often I e had a gm tell me they don't want me to play an artificer before I even mention that I was already planning on playing a wizard fighter or cleric.


Banning "a class" is NOT a big deal. What is treated as a big deal is banning something core to The Forgotten Realms.

 

[Remathilis]

But why? That was my whole point. Why bother to yuck their yum? Why is it worth your time? Is this actually about the argument or is it just about catharsis? Like you seemed to completely abandon the entire "can opt out" line of thinking. So are we just in pure hostility mode? Because that's how it reads to me.

I mean if so, live your best life. But I'd love to know, because if you have an argument, you lost me.

At this point in the discussion, its catharsis. Because FOR ME a DM who limits the options in his game is too narrow a vision FOR ME and it won't be fun FOR ME to play in that game. But people keep trying to omit the FOR MEs and assume I'm making a blanket statement FOR EVERYONE so that they can get their hackles raised. Because it can never be that what the DM is doing is the problem, so the issue must always be in the player. My Yuck response trigged a immediate defensive reaction and attempts to discredit it.

 

[Remathilis]

The point that I was making is that banning a species or a spell is a small factor.

However banning a class is a big deal. And banning many classes is a huge deal. Feel banning many classes would get many players to not want to play at your table and create a situation where that DM would have to accept many players rejecting them.

I gotta agree. D&D has gods-knows-how-many species, but only twelve PHB classes, one supplemental one, another on the way, and a variety of 3pp alternatives. However, I rarely see someone ban paladin and then replace it with bloodhunter. They just ban paladin and your available options become significantly lowered.

 

[Belen]

Really? I present evidence to the contrary. artificer

They are regularly banned in fr games as a reflex and tossed out in discussions to note they are not allowed on someone's game as their first mention. Going beyond that I couldn't even guess how often I e had a gm tell me they don't want me to play an artificer before I even mention that I was already planning on playing a wizard fighter or cleric.


Banning "a class" is NOT a big deal. What is treated as a big deal is banning something core to The Forgotten Realms.

Isn’t Artificer an Eberron class? I have never had a player even ask to play one.

 

[billd91]

So me saying "that sounds unfun, no thanks" isn't a rejection, it's an insult to you. Which is the only reason I can think why so many people are in a twist about a player who sets a threshold for what they expect of a game. They can't accept that someone else is yucking their yum.

Maybe you should take a look at how that reads. You could say "that sounds unfun" or you could say "that doesn't sound like it would work for me". One is yucking someone else's yum, the other says that wouldn't be yum for me.
There's a difference. And it's the difference between being a dick and not being a dick.

 

[Minigiant]

Really? I present evidence to the contrary. artificer

Artificer isn't well known or free enough to get that treatment.

That's the thing. The artificers cost money. So many people who would not willing to pay for a book to get access to mostly just the artificer won't be asking for the artificer outside of the setting book that it comes in: Eberron

 

[Minigiant]

Think of it this way.

I've never ever ever ever EVER heard of someone been in fighter in a setting.

Even in the setting that is designed to be a magic wizard school they don't ban fighter.