D&D General The Monsters Know What They're Doing ... Are Unsure on 5e24

[EzekielRaiden]

this framing is already wrong. It’s not that they are uninterested, it’s that they have some limits on what they allow as race / class for one reason (story / theme / setting) or another (personal dislike)

It's not the first time the framing has already been wrong.

Or did you not notice the half-dozen times where folks presented it as "The general impression I get from GMs who don't care about setting consistency or GM enjoyment"?

 

[AlViking]

If the fun of everyone comes first, then why is it you cannot accept something that isn't fun for you, but would be fun for others?

I'm not included in that everyone?

 

[Zardnaar]

This again assumes a GM somehow can never deal with anything they may be unhappy about. There are going to be some brightline issues where that's true, but to assume its about everything the GM may prefer the other way elevates the GM to the only one that matters, and if that's your position, yeah, you're going to get pushback from me on it.



I'm chronically the GM. I don't think any of the above gives an unlimited pass.



And those may be legitimate. But to assume they automatically are when a players never are smells of privledge well beyond anything any extra work a GM doing justifies.

Youre an idiot if you don't consult your players. Ultimately its my call though who gets to play. Right now its essentially a closed game.

I had a potential player who really wanted to follow the raven queen and to go to level 20. That one dug in and wouldnt play anything else. Didn't join. I had spent $300 on new books and wanted to focus on them.

I dont think im going to come across any pkayer who is going to refuse to pkay because I dint allow flyers. If I do im gonna assume they're munchkin. I did have one player ask about an Aaarakokra once with a grin on theor face. Flying isn't banned. He hadn't found a DM who would say yes.
Twilight clerics banned. I dont think anyone's gonna care about that one. Compromise you can play moon domain of you like.

Silvery barbs. Only had one player ask about it. I used it on a PC and voluntarily retired it. Stupid spell.

One issue I have had is new players turning up with rolled stats. Of course they're always higher that the default array.

 

[Zardnaar]

If the fun of everyone comes first, then why is it you cannot accept something that isn't fun for you, but would be fun for others?

People have different tastes. Only play with like minded folk.

 

[Remathilis]

I'm not included in that everyone?

Surely, but the issue keeps coming down to your happiness seems to trump anyone else's.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Youre an idiot if you don't consult your players.

And yet your phrasing suggests that any time you have a preference in conflict with your players, you automatically get to be the one who wins. So which is it? Does your preference automatically trump theirs in all cases?

 

[Pedantic]

And yet your phrasing suggests that any time you have a preference in conflict with your players, you automatically get to be the one who wins. So which is it? Does your preference automatically trump theirs in all cases?

It's very clear at this point that no one is winning anything here.

 

[Mecheon]

Since racial stats have been abolished, there is no reason not to play a Wookiee in 5e.

That's what alaghi or whatever the totally-not-bigfoot from Complete Book of Humanoids were for

 

[AlViking]

Surely, but the issue keeps coming down to your happiness seems to trump anyone else's.

In one sense it does because if I'm not okay with the game I'm running I'm not going to be running a game. But it's also false because it's not a zero sum game. I see no reason why everyone at the table can't enjoy the game, I know my groups do.

 

[Remathilis]

In one sense it does because if I'm not okay with the game I'm running I'm not going to be running a game. But it's also false because it's not a zero sum game. I see no reason why everyone at the table can't enjoy the game, I know my groups do.

I agree its not zero sum gain, but it seems that if something would lower the enjoyment of the DM by any degree, even if it raises the enjoyment of a player, that is an unacceptable term. If you could measure fun in units, the DM must always be a maximum fun and will not lower his fun to raise another players by any amount. I'm not (nor have ever said) be miserable, but I feel like the DM refuses any sacrifice, even if it betters the game for others.