Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
And for you it apparently is. That doesn't apply to the rest of us. Oh, and we don't "force" characters into it.And I'd say that alignment is bollocks and it is unhelpful to try to force characters into it.
And for you it apparently is. That doesn't apply to the rest of us. Oh, and we don't "force" characters into it.And I'd say that alignment is bollocks and it is unhelpful to try to force characters into it.
So again the alignment didn't tell us anything useful. Great.Not all Demons are the same. Grazz't is also different than normal demons. The differentiation is chaos and order(law), not wants the world to burn and doesn't want the world to burn.
No. It doesn't tell YOU anything useful. So don't use it.So again the alignment didn't tell us anything useful. Great.
In the case of the Sith specifically, I am unsure the relationship is Lawful. Strictly, they are each others competitors. The temporary acquiescence of the Sith apprentice is useful to further the influence of the Master. But the Master can kill an apprentice who no longer appears useful. Moreover, the relationship is a one-on-one relationship, which is individualistic.The relationship of Apprentice and Master is lawful. One serves the other faithfully, but is expected to eventually kill and replace him. One chaotic rule doesn't make it a chaotic relationship. Vader also showed personal loyalty to those who served well under him and treated them fairly well. He is LE through and through.
You're having this disagreement because lawful and chaotic are not coherent concepts.In the case of the Sith specifically, I am unsure the relationship is Lawful. Strictly, they are each others competitors. The temporary acquiescence of the Sith apprentice is useful to further the influence of the Master. But the Master can kill an apprentice who no longer appears useful. Moreover, the relationship is a one-on-one relationship, which is individualistic.
The Sith tradition itself seems individualistic in its Evil. Whence a Chaotic philosophy.
Yet, in the case Darth Vader and Palpatine, both of them are interested in running an empire, which is definitely a Lawful ambition.
Neutral Evil mixes Chaotic and Lawful.
Because if Vader is Chaotic Evil, but somehow furthering an Empire, then I would read that information as him being internally conflicted.But why cannot you just say the bolded part?
It doesn't work that way, though. Neutral evil is evil for the sake of evil. Alignment isn't a straightjacket, so the two LE Sith can have chaotic tendencies and still be LE. Nobody falls completely within 1 or even 2 alignments. It's where they primarily sit that decided alignment, and both are primarily lawful and orderly about how they go about things and what they want to accomplish.In the case of the Sith specifically, I am unsure the relationship is Lawful. Strictly, they are each others competitors. The temporary acquiescence of the Sith apprentice is useful to further the influence of the Master. But the Master can kill an apprentice who no longer appears useful. Moreover, the relationship is a one-on-one relationship, which is individualistic.
The Sith tradition itself seems individualistic in its Evil. Whence a Chaotic philosophy.
Yet, in the case Darth Vader and Palpatine, both of them are interested in running an empire, which is definitely a Lawful ambition.
Neutral Evil mixes Chaotic and Lawful.
Heh, I agree, the official descriptions are confused, especially when assuming literal "laws" and "personal code".You're having this disagreement because lawful and chaotic are not coherent concepts.
No. We're having a disagreement, because personalities are complex, and a detailed character will not fall within a single alignment. However, when running generic NPC/Monster #47626, alignment more than suffices to help me run it.You're having this disagreement because lawful and chaotic are not coherent concepts.
I dont think anyone does something "for the sake of Evil".It doesn't work that way, though. Neutral evil is evil for the sake of evil. Alignment isn't a straightjacket, so the two LE Sith can have chaotic tendencies and still be LE. Nobody falls completely within 1 or even 2 alignments. It's where they primarily sit that decided alignment, and both are primarily lawful and orderly about how they go about things and what they want to accomplish.