D&D (2024) They butchered the warlock in the new packet

[Charlaquin]

so does not resting and making do with the resources you chose to not yet spend

Right, but if everyone gets everything back on a long rest, there is no incentive not to blow it all and long rest after every encounter.

 

[Incenjucar]

so does not resting and making do with the resources you chose to not yet spend

Except now you have to limit certain resources more to prevent endless novas on short days.

 

[mamba]

Right, but if everyone gets everything back on a long rest, there is no incentive not to blow it all and long rest after every encounter.

if you have the time for one, yes. You could say the same even with short rests, because most players are on a long rest schedule and yet somehow this does not seem to be a problem

 

[Charlaquin]

yes, recovery speed gets dropped from the equation,

Making resource management less dynamic.

freeing you up to more freely allocate your resources throughout the day.

And encouraging 5 minute workdays.

Short rests just add restrictions, nothing more.

Restrictions foster creativity.

 

[Undrave]

I disagree, whether you have 2 spells after each short rest or 6 for the day makes no functional difference, apart from requiring short rests and creating an imbalance depending on how many there are. If everyone recharges on long rests nothing of interest is lost, the differences should come from something else.

It makes a difference if you can unload 2 spells or a full 6 in a single encounter.

Whereas, I've got no problem at all with the fighter. I mean, I suppose if the player were to simply say "sword" and roll every round, it would "feel" more like a Warlock's EB to me. But, IME most fighters (due to being in Melee, I guess?) have a LOT more back-and-forth with the monster, fluff-wise, whereas Warlocks tend to PEW PEW.

How about an archer Fighter then?

Maybe. For me it's a story thing. It's ALWAYS a story thing. I'm not fond of the way I generally see Warlocks played IN COMBAT when it comes to their story. OtOH, out of combat, they are very interesting, with their patron and all. Probably the MOST interesting class when it comes to that.

Considering that a Warlock SEEKS their power, I think it's more fun if they use their spells choices on more DEVIOUS and underhanded picks than pure combat spells, upcasting or not be damned. At best, Mirror Image on a Pact of the Blade works well.

 

[Bolares]

Goth rangers with eldritch blast instead of a bow is the intended play pattern (well, ranged fighters, since they follow fighter extra attack progression). They’re the Magic equivalent of the “simple fighter.”

I've always seen the warlock as the well built arcane archer. (except for having EB instead of a bow)

 

[Charlaquin]

if you have the time for one, yes. You could say the same even with short rests, because most players are on a long rest schedule and yet somehow this does not seem to be a problem

Did you really just claim the 5mwd doesn’t seem to be a problem in modern D&D? That’s just… inaccurate.

 

[payn]

Right, but if everyone gets everything back on a long rest, there is no incentive not to blow it all and long rest after every encounter.

This is no different than taking a short rest every chance you can get.

 

[mamba]

Except now you have to limit certain resources more to prevent endless novas on short days.

no, let them nova, they do not know what day will turn out short. If you want to blow all your resources on two encounters, I am not going to stop you

 

[JiffyPopTart]

yeah, dynamically waiting around on various schedules

At you table, how much real-life-time is taken up by the party taking a short rest?

At my table 80%+ of the time it's the GM saying "OK you rest. Spend HD and regain whatever you get" and play resumes after some people roll a few dice and update their HP tally sheets.