To Enworld martial artists: Hung Gar vs Muay Thai vs BJJ.....

[Drakmar]

This is a link to a School that tells you about Yee Chuan
http://www.lungchi.com
or
http://www.qldkungfu.com

I am actually going to check out the qldkungfu school tonight. I have been trying to find a teacher the I like for months. So here's hoping.

you should all probably have a read. (the History section may or may not be correct.. like almost every single page out there.)

As for Hung Gar.. it does utilise both the Knees and Elbows in combat. The reason why it is not as noticable as say.. MT.. is that MT seems to have a grand total of about 10 different kinds of attacks. Where as Kung Fu's have a truckload.

o.. and "Tiger and Crane" style was developed from Hung Gar. Hung Gar was based on Shoalin Kung Fu. They maintained the 5 elements (wood, water, fire, metal, earth(i think)) and the 5 animals (Dragon, Tiger, Crane, Snake, Leopard). It is a Full System.. starting off mainly as an external kung fu, and developing into an internal kung fu when you do the Iron Thread? form. The most well known school of Hung Gar that I know of (with the "best" lineage) is in San Fransico.

 

[Darius101]

Taichi and Bagua

The hard styles always end (after years of training in them) teaching some of the soft style priciples at later stages.

Soft styles are like a needle inside cotton. They look soft but are actually harder to train in at first (for americans anyway) due to our fast lifestyle.

As for me.....well......MT is out, cause the school is too far away....but......recently I found out about a a kung-fu style named Yiquan. This internal style (I think it is internal.....) has no forms (weird for a kung-fu style) and focuses on the intstict way of doing things......

It has to form? Yiquan has foundations in Hsin-I and Bagua would be interesting to train in.

Olethros...sounds great I miss those days of training that way since my teachers moved away. I can remember training for 4-6 hours a night to the point I would get sick ...then train some more. That training really sticks with you. My teacher told me that when I learn to control things properly I can fight for 3-4hours against everyone in the Dojo/ School and be invigorated not tired at the end of the session. He never let us see him get out of breath no matter how hard he was working with us. It was amazing to see. My Japenese instructor was also an olympic coach for Japan's Judo team.
Thanks again for all the info I really have to get back to San Fran or New York ..for some training again.
I can remember that there was traditional sword Demo going on in the 80's and Steven Segal did an amazing demo for the group..just about 1 year before the Above the Law movie came out.
Later,
Darius

 

[wisdome]

You know guys, I am truly shocked that no one has mentioned Jeet Kune Do concepts!

This great martial art (which I just happen to train =)), includes every aspect of fighting. Well, every good aspects anyway. Jeet Kune Do CONCEPTS. It evolves all the time, you can add your own teckniques to it. Because of this, it is even more important with a good trainer.

It includes grappling, Muay Thai, Boxing, Wing Chun, trapping teckniques, Kali, Penchak Silat, and so much more! This is THE "martial art" to train, if you have the time... my trainer has been training it for like 10 years, of which three years was under supervision of Dan Inosanto. Dan Inosanto was one of three students which were allowed to professionally teach the "art" by Bruce Lee. So you see, my trainer is great.
Yes, Bruce Lee. This was the man who "invented" the concept. And it is a concept, not a fixed system. That's why I think it is the best "art" to train.
Like I said earlier, you don't care about any lousy ****-teckniques, and only includes the best ones, to be as effective as possible.

About self defense... I think that "Kali soft forms" is the best one. It is widely used by the police in Denmark, but I'm not sure wether it has spread outside of the northern Europe. Anyways, it is really a great self-defense, because you can disable your opponents without injuring them to much =). Not as with usual Kali-teckniques, then...

"Be formless, like water..."

Edit: JKD Concepts isn't selfdefense. If the ****** started the fight, give him hell =)

 

[Adlon]

I couldn't agree more, wisdome....

My teacher studied under Ted Wong, one of those THREE you mention, and is listed on the official JKD site. Imagine that, in my one horse town of Ft. Myers, Fla......

Anyways, as you pointed out, JKD is a compilation of styles, which ultimately surpasses a description of 'style'.

Bruce studied just about every style out there. He felt Wing Chun was too restrictive, and non-adaptive. He took in all that he felt was useable from all styles, and tossed out the rest. One style that comes to mind, is Savate. WHO talks about this style anymore? Not to many, but, the low kicks from that style were seen in many of Bruce's movies, you just have to look for them.

I highly suggest one read the Tao of Jeet Kune Do. You'll gett a real mindset of what it takes to be a martial artist.

 

[Sir Elton]

I had some great teachers while studying United Studios Karate. Choose a good teacher, and put your heart into it and he will get in shape.

 

[Hypersmurf]

You know guys, I am truly shocked that no one has mentioned Jeet Kune Do concepts!

Possibly because the last post to the thread was a year ago

Wisdome, we'd appreciate it if you don't try to finesse the profanity filter. It's there for a reason... putting stars in the middle of words might get past the automatic filter, but it's still not allowed.

Thanks.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Darklone]

Well, considering how long it was ago... any news which school zdanX choose ?

 

[wisdome]

I apologize for swearing. I just wanted to bring forth my feelings about the art itself, and maybe it was the wrong way, but you all got the idea!

Omg, yes, savate... that is one art I just absolutely love, although it is pretty hard. Anyways, it is perhaps not the most effective art there is, and require a lot of flexibility, but it is really cool. But I would stick with jun fan kick-boxing and muay thai for kicks!

Adlon, is Ted Wong practising JKD Concepts nowadays? I thought that his and Inosantos versions were different, that Ted Wong was kinda "preserving" the art as it were at the time of Bruce Lees death, and that Wong and Inosantos were kinda like "rivals" because Inosantos wanted to evolve the sport while Wong wanted it to stay with Lees version. I am not sure of this though, and I'd like to hear you side of the story...

Whoa, that was one long sentence.

 

[nerfherder]

Two of the things I liked about my aikido school were:
1) only two belts - black & white.
2) lessons were around $2 for a couple of hours.

Basically, the instructors did it for the love of it, not as a business. I'm pretty sure it was run as non-profit making - sensei just covered his costs. We were fortunate that one of the instructors had trained under Chiba sensei in San Deigo and another when he was in the UK.

Someone also mentioned about training with a friend. I'd definitely agree. I trained with my ex-wife (she wasn't my ex at the time, otherwise it would have been... interesting!), and we used to go when the dojo was closed on a Sunday with another couple of friends and train for hours. Nothing like having tons of space to throw uke around .

Cheers,
Liam