To Walk/Hussle while moving silently?

[FreeTheSlaves]

What modifier is there to moving silently while walking at full speed or hustling?

The skill description rules seem to cover:

- move at half speed or less at no penalty
- move greater than half speed but less than full at -5 penalty
- move full speed at ??
- move at a hustle at ??
- move at running/charging speed at -20

Next question is 'why have I taken this long to wonder?'

 

[Notmousse]

Would make a good progression to be -10 and -15 respectively.

 

[Elethiomel]

- move greater than half speed but less than full at -5 penalty
- move full speed at ??
- move at a hustle at ??

Well, I'd like to point out that "less than full" here is a bit weird. The next step up after half is full, so I'd interpret "less than full" to have the intended meaning of "less than or equal to full" and hence give a -5 penalty to someone moving up to their full speed.

If you hustle and move at half speed (i.e. move your speed as a full-round action), you get no penalty. If you hustle and move at full speed (i.e. move your speed as a move-action twice, thus moving double your speed as a full-round-action) you get the exact same penalty as if you move your speed as a move action. In the latter case, you are taking the time to do a standard action afterwards (or before!), after all.

The only time that "hustle" is really a relevant expression is when you're moving hours at a time. I don't know if there are rules about skill use during Overland Movement, but from I wrote above, hustling at their full speed (i.e. using the Overland Movement rules as if hustling and using their base speed for the tables) gives a -5 penalty.

 

[Vrecknidj]

Would make a good progression to be -10 and -15 respectively.

Agreed. I'm all for scaling things, and wish that more such cases were described in either the DMG or PHB.

Dave

 

[Elethiomel]

Agreed. I'm all for scaling things, and wish that more such cases were described in either the DMG or PHB.

So you don't agree with my point that taking a move action to move your full speed and taking a full-round action to move double your speed (i.e. hustling) represents the exact same actual movement speed?

 

[GorTeX]

Moving 30' can be considered hustling IF you do something else that turn..

from the srd

A hustle is a jog at about 6 miles per hour for an unencumbered human. A character moving his or her speed twice in a single round, or moving that speed in the same round that he or she performs a standard action or another move action is hustling when he or she moves

note also, that you can move less than your full speed in your action...if you movement is 30', half speed is 15' (or less), Greater than half but less than full is 20'-25', and full speed is 30', while hustling speed is 35-60', and running is 65'-120' (90' if in heavy armor or load).

You can also be considered to be hustling if you move 30' and do somthing else in a round beside moving (taking a standard or another move action).

 

[Elethiomel]

Moving 30' can be considered hustling IF you do something else that turn.

Yeah. This supports my point that moving your full speed and hustling should suffer the exact same penalties.

note also, that you can move less than your full speed in your action...if you movement is 30', half speed is 15' (or less), Greater than half but less than full is 20'-25', and full speed is 30', while hustling speed is 35-60', and running is 65'-120' (90' if in heavy armor or load).

Yeah. Consider a Monk, though. Say a 9th level human monk. A 9th level human monk has a movement of 60'. So half speed is 30' or less. Less than full but more than half is 35'-55'. Full speed is 60'. Double moving ("hustling") gets you between 65' and 120'. Running is 125'-480'. I think it is utterly nonsensical that the *exact* full speed (60') should have a different penalty than large ranges on both sides of it. In this case the ranges are a 20' per round range on one side and a 55' per round range on the other side, but this specific speed - a 5' range by the combat grid rules - has a different penalty than both.

You can also be considered to be hustling if you move 30' and do somthing else in a round beside moving (taking a standard or another move action).

Yeah. But it doesn't say in the Move Silently description what sort of action it is. I assume it is part of the "Move" action, which is a move-equivalent action (big surprise there), and so moving "more than half but less than your full speed" would be hustling, since you're using a move action to do so. Hence my argument for a -5 penalty when hustling (since as I detail above, I think a separate penalty for exactly your full speed is nonsensical).

 

[GorTeX]

personally, I dont' have a problem with it. If you are moving at less then your full speed, I'd assume you used the movement you didn't use to help with moving silently, thus 'only' a -5.

Moving full speed, but not hustling, you don't have the extra movement to 'spend' being careful, so -10 'seems' appropriate

Hustling is not quite running, but is akin to charging..so -15 also seems reasonable.

Of course, I could see the arguement that if you move full speed or faster, it is pratically impossible to move silenetly, and just apply a -20 if you move at your full speed or greater.