D&D (2024) Treantmonk's Warlock EB DPR video


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FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
And the occasional Hail of Thorns or Lightning Arrow.

Ranger starts out as one of the strongest in range damage. But just doesn't scale very well.

Vs the warlock who gets inspiring leader, fear, suggestion, Cloud of Daggers and fly. Any of which may be more impactful, but are not direct single target damage.

The only thing I see for personal Warlock damage is darkness + Devils Sight, but that only seems worth it if you can get it off before combat or dip for Quicken.

Or Spirit Shroud. But that's not exactly ranged.

Warlock single target ranged damage spell should be summon fey for tier 2. Even if it can’t be precast it’s still better than the alternatives.
 

mellored

Legend
Warlock single target ranged damage spell should be summon fey for tier 2. Even if it can’t be precast it’s still better than the alternatives.
Not exactly sure if that would qualify for "ranged" damage, as it can't do anything against a flying enemy, but let's see.

2d8+6+2d6+6 * 65% (archery style,, but GWM doesn't boost Dex).
= 18.2
+ 8d10 * .5 + 8d10*.5*.5 (hail of thorns)
33 / 16 = 2.0625
= 20.2625
Vs
2d10+8+2d6+6 * 60%
= 19.2

So ranger is still ahead and that assumes Summon Fey is precast.

Give it 2 more levels when Summon Fey gets an extra attack and that's probably when Warlock pulls ahead.
Certainly leaves the ranger behind at 11.
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
Not exactly sure if that would qualify for "ranged" damage, as it can't do anything against a flying enemy, but let's see.

2d8+6+2d6+6 * 65% (archery style,, but GWM doesn't boost Dex).
= 18.2
+ 8d10 * .5 + 8d10*.5*.5 (hail of thorns)
33 / 16 = 2.0625
= 20.2625
Vs
2d10+8+2d6+6 * 60%
= 19.2

So ranger is still ahead and that assumes Summon Fey is precast.

Give it 2 more levels when Summon Fey gets an extra attack and that's probably when Warlock pulls ahead.
Certainly leaves the ranger behind at 11.

Summon fey gets advantage. It alone contributes 10.9 DPR.

Eb + Ab contributes 11.4.

Total 22.3 DPR
 


mellored

Legend
Summon fey gets advantage. It alone contributes 10.9 DPR.

Eb + Ab contributes 11.4.

Total 22.3 DPR
Fair.
But that still assumes casting out of combat, it lasting for 2 combats (using half the slots, 1 short rest), isn't exactly "ranged", ignores Dex to initiative, nor the subclass (ranger can get another d8).

So I'd still give the crown to Ranger at level 5.

But that's kind of where it peaks. GWM ticks up slowly, no extra attacks, half the subclass give splash damage, and most of the other features are defensive or skills.
 

FrogReaver

As long as i get to be the frog
Fair.
But that still assumes casting out of combat, it lasting for 2 combats (using half the slots, 1 short rest), isn't exactly "ranged", ignores Dex to initiative, nor the subclass (ranger can get another d8).

So I'd still give the crown to Ranger at level 5.

But that's kind of where it peaks. GWM ticks up slowly, no extra attacks, half the subclass give splash damage, and most of the other features are defensive or skills.

Warlock dex mod will be same as rangers at level 5 assuming you are taking GWM.

if you assume it’s combat cast every combat then it’s dpr only drops to 19.5. If you assume half combats it can be precast it’s still 20.9. (I assume you use one summon fey every combat).

I don’t think it’s fair to call it not ranged. In many circumstances it provides better benefits as it gives you a body blocker to fill doorways and hallways making you even safer while at range. Yes it’s not as good against flyers, but summon undead works fine there - 18 DPR when precast, so not bad there either.

Also a single opportunity attack per combat can easily boost summon gets damage by 2 more.

So I don’t think it’s as clear cut. Seems mostly to even out to me.
 


mellored

Legend
So I don’t think it’s as clear cut. Seems mostly to even out to me.
Sure. But we are talking single target ranged damage. Not overall usefulness.

Getting nearly the same damage but giving out THP with inspiring leader, and repelling blast probably being better than slow, probably makes the warlock better overall.

What do you mean it can't do anything?

It can fly up to it and attack it .... and then try to charm it.
Did they change it to have a fly speed?

I'm running off second hand info, so could be wrong.
 

ECMO3

Legend
Did they change it to have a fly speed?

A Fey Spirit has a fly speed of 30 feet and can Fey Step 30 feet as a bonus action to make that effectively larger.

Also both the damage per attack and number of attacks scales with slot level. The numbers you posted are I think applicable at level 5 and 6, but 7 and 8 it will be over double that and 11 and 12 it will be over triple the level 5 number.
 

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