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[Nail]

I read the text for sunder as giving it another use

<laughs>

Where?

 

[bestone]

Refer to post 443

Nothing specifies that melee attack has to be during a standard action in the sunder text, it simply says melee attack.

 

[Nail]

Refer to post 443

Nothing personal, but: unlikely.

Nothing specifies that melee attack has to be during a standard action in the sunder text, it simply says melee attack.

Exactly.

Fortunately, the table clears this up.

 

[bestone]

And now you are just disregarding my last couple posts.

And you may think its unlikely, but that doesnt make your pov true. Infact the game designers and faq agree with the pov as listed in post 443.

The table doesnt clear it up

You tell me what the text. You can use a melee attack. means?

 

[bestone]

The sunder text gives it other uses

The bull rush text gives it other uses

both are listed as standard actions.

What makes you able to bull rush as part of a charge? the text.

What states you could sunder as a melee attack the text


The text doesnt list sunder as taking a standard action to sunder, or sundering as part of a standard action, it says melee attack.

Your and my idea of melee attack must be different.

 

[Nail]

The table doesnt clear it up

The text doesn't define the Type of Action.

The Table does.

Man A: "Rain is wet."

Man B: "It will rain in one hour."

Question: Will you get wet in one hour?

 

[bestone]

As the game designers and faq suggest, the table only determines an action because the text lacks an action. And you need to have an "action" to provoke an aoo.

Bull rush text describes it as a standard action, so does the table, no descrepancy. But the text also gives it another use (which isnt a standard aciton).

This contradicts hyp's statement of "unless you are taking the standard action the text doesnt apply"

If your not taking the standard action bullrush, then the text wouldnt apply.

That text lets you use it on a charge.

 

[bestone]

In the case of bullrush, using your logic there is no descrepancy

Its a standard action, and you can use it as part of a charge

 

[bestone]

And lets keep in mind, under action types, it specifically says the action type essentially tells you how long it takes to perform (and not what it does)

 

[bestone]

Nail, i'd be interested to know what you make of this text

"You can use a melee attack to" What do you take that to mean?