Vampire: the Masquerade - New York by Night OOC Thread

hmm... OK, let me rephrase my remark of "Awe is not a combat power" to something more precise (since those 6 words generated more response than any questions I've asked yet):

"Awe would not be effective in this simulated combat."

Yes, Nikolai would know about the power (Occult 4 + Occult Library 1, specialty Kindred Lore).
Yes, Nikolai would know it being used on him (Perception 5, Alertness 3 + previous experience).
Yes, Nikolai would resist its effects with Willpower (Willpower 10, Self-Control 4).

Quote from page 171 of the rulebook:
Those affected can use Willpower points to overcome the effect....
I don't read any requirement of meta-gaming to resist it, but if you want an extremely in-character reason that Nikolai would never allow himself (if it was within his power to stop it) to be subjugated by another vampire's will, than all you have to do is remember his backstory.

Shalimar - "What does "While Nik was fawning" mean? I don't understand the reference."

As for guns and concealability:
As I've mentioned before, I don't personally have any knowledge or experience or interest in guns, so I only look at the rulebook, and it says both a SMG and a shotgun are rated T (can be concealed in a trenchcoat).
In RPG's, when it comes to areas of encumbrance and concealability and realisticness of what a character is packing around, I lose interest.
That mainly comes from my opinion that in D&D, no character could actually fight with all the gear they tote around.

More importantly, if memory serves, the only time that Nik would have strained concealment was in the cafe or the taxi, but I felt it was more important to roleplay with Ashrem, and get his backstory into play, than concern myself with the believability of whether anyone would notice Nik struggling into the booth at the cafe.

If you guys have any concerns about the carrying of guns in this Chronicle, please come to an agreement with Catulle, and let me know what you do or do not want Nik doing, since I don't personally have an opinion one way or the other.
 

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Originally posted by reapersaurus
That is stupifyingly ridiculous to not include that ruling in the section that details Lethal Damage and Bashing damage.
Try reading an older White Wolf index one day... quite the exercise in frustration. :eek:

Originally posted by reapersaurus
Oh, well - I guess all systems have their weakpoints.
I don't think anybody could argue in all seriousness that the Storyteller system handles combat well or quickly. Though I think it works okay, the PbP environment may be an asset to the flow in that all the (buckets of) dice rolling can be kept together.

Originally posted by Valara
Why didn't Maxwell just use Awe?
Originally posted by Festy_Dog
Well it appears the subject of what Max is capable of in combat has come up. In my opinion it appears Reap has taken the wrong actions for him, assuming he'll just use brute force from the word 'go'. I agree with the others in the use of somewhat underhanded tactics to put him off guard, then proceeding to take the surprise actions at his disposal.
Totally on board with you both, here. I think we're engaged in a (very) hypothetical analysis of the combat system here, rather than a comparison of character "hardness". At least, I hope we are... ;) Maybe I should have used templates for the example rather than risk misinterpretation, though I think even that may have missed the main point of reaper's question.

Re firearms; I'm happy to go with concealability as written. After a little testing with Helen's and my housemate's replicas, I reckon you can fit a SPAS-12 and an Uzi under a long coat reasonably well if, like me, you're a scrawny kind of guy (and like Nikolai's stats would suggest). Just avoid crowds and well-lit areas; you should be fine. If not very comfortable.

Gun availability, on the other hand, is something I'm going to have to think about a little harder. Not to take anything away at this point, but maybe to tighten up a bit on acquiring the heavy weapons in future. Thoughts?

Regards,

Barry
 
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I agree that any US restricted guns should be difficult to get unless you've got some criminal contacts and money for the blackmarket price. Though keep in mind blackmarket guns can mean recycled murder weapons which can bring a whole new load of problems to the fore.

I only brought up the concealablity because Nik had been walking around to the diner where there are people, sitting there talking to Gabe, walking to the bathroom, and back out and into a crowded taxi (where btw they are extremely antsy about people carrying weapons since taxi drivers get murdered and robbed - it is NYC). All with the guns stowed away in a trenchcoat. If he had gone straight there with avoidance, concealablity wouldn't be a problem.

Although you're quite right, I didn't take into account that Nik is a scrawny guy.

Obviously Nik already already has the guns so the discussion really isn't to take the guns away from him. Its only for future thought and only because weapons play an important part in combat (now that I see an actual combat scenario) - its not exactly an inconsequential accessory.
 

KitanaVorr said:
(where btw they are extremely antsy about people carrying weapons since taxi drivers get murdered and robbed - it is NYC).
See, in the UK (at least in Birmingham), it's the other way around; unlicensed cabs will pick people up and take them away to be robbed/raped as appropriate... This is why Hackneys are a Good thing.

Regards,

Barry
 

Catulle said:
See, in the UK (at least in Birmingham), it's the other way around; unlicensed cabs will pick people up and take them away to be robbed/raped as appropriate... This is why Hackneys are a Good thing.

Regards,

Barry

ew - I'll keep that in mind if I ever end up in England - oh the hidden things they never tell you on the travel channel....
 

To right. If it's big (like, six passengers) and black, it's government-licensed, if not, just don't touch them... It's more expensive, but worth every penny.

Regards,

Barry
 

Catulle said:
To right. If it's big (like, six passengers) and black, it's government-licensed, if not, just don't touch them... It's more expensive, but worth every penny.

Regards,

Barry

Don't worry. I spare no expense for safety in the pursuit of recklessness.

;)
 

Hey Shali

Last night's conversation was a bit fuzzy. Were you going to write Cate and Saby's arrival at the club or was I? Or did Barry decide to do it after all?

Eternally Absent-minded,

Kit
 

If you haven't got something up by the time I get back into the house tonight, I'll post a link to the new scene. Hope that's okay.

Regards,

Barry
 


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