Vote for this year's ENnies judges!

Vote for this year's ENnies judges!

  • Painfully

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • CRGreathouse

    Votes: 94 22.4%
  • Kajamba Lion

    Votes: 32 7.6%
  • Crothian

    Votes: 186 44.4%
  • Buddha the DM

    Votes: 23 5.5%
  • Teflon Billy

    Votes: 261 62.3%
  • Maldur

    Votes: 43 10.3%
  • jester47

    Votes: 47 11.2%
  • Macbeth

    Votes: 29 6.9%
  • Li Shenron

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • Quickbeam

    Votes: 62 14.8%
  • Psion

    Votes: 201 48.0%
  • Darkness

    Votes: 77 18.4%
  • ascendance

    Votes: 21 5.0%
  • trancejeremy

    Votes: 43 10.3%
  • LGodamus

    Votes: 17 4.1%
  • tleilaxu

    Votes: 22 5.3%
  • Shadowdancer

    Votes: 38 9.1%
  • JoeGKushner

    Votes: 171 40.8%
  • guedo79

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • bloodymage

    Votes: 26 6.2%
  • Geist

    Votes: 31 7.4%
  • Dirigible

    Votes: 22 5.3%
  • Acid_crash

    Votes: 7 1.7%
  • blackshirt5

    Votes: 38 9.1%
  • BigFreekinGoblinoid

    Votes: 130 31.0%
  • Umbran

    Votes: 41 9.8%
  • dsfriii

    Votes: 11 2.6%
  • Arg-ha Lardgoa

    Votes: 6 1.4%
  • irdeggman

    Votes: 11 2.6%
  • Dogbrain

    Votes: 16 3.8%
  • MeepoTheMighty

    Votes: 91 21.7%
  • Lela

    Votes: 43 10.3%
  • Mexal

    Votes: 12 2.9%
  • Cthulhu's Librarian

    Votes: 149 35.6%

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Buddha the DM said:
...name awareness shouldn't matter.

So why are we even bothering to vote?

Take away a user's name and the attitudes we've each linked to that name through our differing experiences with each poster, and you're left with a completely random criterion on which to elect ENnies judges.

Why not toss dice to see who gets to be a judge?

Of course, when it comes time for the judges to vote, they shouldn't be allowed to see the product titles.

Because name awareness shouldn't matter...
 

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Umbran said:
Post count shouldn't matter, and it doesn't. Take a look at thepost counts of the current leaders. Sure, Crothian's got over 17,000 posts. But Teflon Billy's got fewer than 1800, and Cthulhu's Librarian has fewer than 1000.

That being said, name recognition and post count aren't necessarily synonymous. There are a few posters with less than 100 posts who I always run into, and the other day I saw someone (probably active in pbp games) with thousands of posts who I swear I've never even seen before. I'd say that board prominence and the average quality of posts is (and should be) more relevant than sheer post count.
 

Snoweel said:
So why are we even bothering to vote?

Take away a user's name and the attitudes we've each linked to that name through our differing experiences with each poster, and you're left with a completely random criterion on which to elect ENnies judges.

Why not toss dice to see who gets to be a judge?

Take away a politician name and the attitude that people have towards him and what are you left with to vote in a government election? For example, there are his "ideas" and "programs" left :)

We know that on this messageboards "politics" is banned because it tends to make posters arguing like hell, but I really didn't expect that this would have happened for this simple poll ! :D
 

Umbran said:
Yes, well, while you can have name recognition without actual popularity, you cannot reasonably have popularity without name recognition ("Yeah, that guy we all like! Whatshisname?"). So it can rather difficult to unentagle the two.

If you don't think popularity is a factor, I ask you to imagine how many people clicked on Teflon Billy's box without thinking, "Yeah, he's qualified, and a really cool dude too!" :)
So, what's people's excuse for voting for me, lol?
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
That sounds more than a tad bit like post count to me... It’s not the only factor but yes it does contribute.

Well, let's look at them. One of the top six contenders has a post count under 1,000. Half of them are under 2000 posts. Half of these guys aren't even in the top 100 postcount on the boards!

Of the other half - one of them is Crothian, who has a post count so high as to be anomalous, so that you can't reasonably use it to extrapolate effects. The other two are staff reviewers (as is Crothian, btw), and thereby have enough fame coming from other activities that you can't reasonably attribute their success to postcount.

So, other than perhaps there being some (relatively low) minimum threshhold, I don't see as one can make any strong arguments for postcount being a factor. name-recognition/popularity seems only very weakly related to postcount.
 

Snoweel said:
You got my vote, TB. I think that's all that really matters.

I knew I could count on you:)

Snoweel said:
And where's Col Hardisson? It just won't be the Ennies without him.

The good Colonel could not in good conscience agree to the necessary "reading committment" given his current workload.

The ENnies are the poorer for his absence.
 


Umbran said:
Sure, Crothian's got over 17,000 posts. But Teflon Billy's got fewer than 1800, and Cthulhu's Librarian has fewer than 1000.

Yeah he has lacking the 1000 post mark by 22. I guess 978 posts isn't a very considerable interest in this board, and hobby, in your eyes but it is mine and to be honest anyone with over 500 posts has a large vested interest in d20 and the board. If you have more than a 1000 posts it just shows your addiction, either to the board or to RPGing.

Anyhow my comments were meant only as a joke and if you go and look at the debates to rather or not they should be removed I'm always in favor of them being removed.

One last thing

Are you saying if someone first post was their very campaign speech that you would vote for them with out hesitation?

I myself wouldn’t do the above and my votes where based upon how well I felt I knew the people and how well I thought they would represent my views at the voting. Then again maybe I'm just use to looking past the campaign speeches and looking at their views and records, as in what they where in favor for, what they want out of the d20 systems and what not. Your mileage my very and jazz like that.
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
Anyhow my comments were meant only as a joke...

Yes, but considering that some folks take the presence or absence of postcounts, and the integrity of these elections, somewhat more seriously, it seemed best to err on the side of caution.

Are you saying if someone first post was their very campaign speech that you would vote for them with out hesitation?

No, Brother Shatterstone, I am not. And I'm not sure how you could get that idea from what I wrote. I specifically said, "Some parts of this are a bit annoying, but other parts are a selling point." Meaning that there's both good and bad in it.

Not to mention the fact that there aren't too many other sane ways of going about it. Not much point in chafing against minor things when you can't do anything about them, hm? :)
 

Umbran said:
No, Brother Shatterstone, I am not. And I'm not sure how you could get that idea from what I wrote.

I don't nor did I think your answer would be anything other than the above... :) Simply cause name recognition is inherent part of post count. You simply cannot have one with out the other and that was simply the point I was making in the first place. :)
 

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