Vow of Poverty PCs... stories please

[KarinsDad]

oh is that so? not to steal the thread but, page 20 and page 39 . Undo your evil action and atone. bingo just like the christians... except christians seem to get it easy without the undo the evil you did part....

It depends on what you have done. If you break your vow (while not under the effect of a compulsion), you are out of luck. If you do some other evil act and lose your exalted status, then yes, you can regain it with effort and atonement.

If you break your vow, you immediately and irrevocably lose the benefit of this feat. You may not take another feat to replace it.

So, if the evil act you did was to break your vow, you lose the benefits forever. Nothing can gain them back.

Now, somebody might read this that you lose the benefit of the first time you took this feat and allow a PC to take the feat a second time (which would mean losing the lower level bonus exalted feats), however, I do not read it that way. If you take the feat a second time, you still have irrevocably lost the benefit of the feat since it's the same feat. For your character, the benefits of the feat do not exist if you broke the vow.

by breaking alighnment you do not break vop, only your exaltedness and thus do not qualify for the feat untill you fix your alighnment. Now here is the kicker. If you do not qualify for the feat but you have taken it, can you use magic iteams now that your feat is gone temporaraly.

No. You do not lose the feat. You lose the use of the feat. So, the restrictions on what you do are still in effect. If you break the vow, you permanently lose the use of the feat.

better yet, becuse anti magic fields take away exalted feats (like vop altough i know it doesent) can you use a martial weapon in a antimagic field? better yet, can you get a manticure in a anti magic field and not violate your vow. Ah the fun of reading the rules as writen in boed over common sense.

Again, if you break the vow, you break the vow. It does not matter if you are on the Moon and do it.

 

[Cartigan Mrryl]

I haven't played as a VoP anything yet... I HAVE however, faced one in an ECL 20 challenge... for those of you who don't know what that is, it's an ECL 20 PvP contest.

I made a Gravetouched, Spellstiched Human Ghoul Monk11/Lurking Terror 3. Our DM made an All-Vows Monk, named him "Broken" and with reason... he was ghastly to face. If I remember correctly, I nearly won because I ended up using "Obscuring Mist" and hiding in plain sight, cracking him over the head, then laying in on him with violated, quicken spell-like abils. Oooh! For those of you who play a Spell-stiched Gravetouched Ghoul... you cast spells as an (HD-equivalent) Sorceror, meaning that you cast spells as a 20th level Sorceror(the end result HD of your charrie), with more limited spell selection. Choose Night's Caress as one of his 5th level spells and the Empower and violated Spell-like abilities feats... if you use both of those, at once, he can take 15d6(x1.5) damage (half of which is Vile, Vile=Unhealable) AND, if he fails a Fort save, he takes 1d6+2(x1.5) Con Damage... again, half of which is vile. Take the Vile Ki Strike, and he takes 1 point of vile damage with each strike... meaning you slowly wittle away his max HP until healing does NOTHING, because it take 24 hours to cast hallow... and you have to cast cure or restoration whilst in a hallowed area to heal the damage. Seriously: How many 20th level spell casters can deal with 12 points of Con damage and STILL be fine... and by fine I mean fighting-able... even for another spell, let alone my 2d8+18+1vile damage punch....

He ended up winning because of a SERIOUSLY lucky critical... buuut, I got his Max HP sooo low that the next guy crushed him like an egg. It was sweet. He's STILL mad... more made than when i killed his Walking Worm in one round... (Note to ALL DMs: NEVER swallow an Epic Dread Necromancer... he'll kill nearly anything you send at him with level drain. )

Edit: I didn't know about the Anti-Magic field taking away Exalted feats... I gotta use that in our Rematch... GOOD BYE BROKEN!

 

[Moon-Lancer]

It depends on what you have done. If you break your vow (while not under the effect of a compulsion), you are out of luck. If you do some other evil act and lose your exalted status, then yes, you can regain it with effort and atonement.



So, if the evil act you did was to break your vow, you lose the benefits forever. Nothing can gain them back.

Now, somebody might read this that you lose the benefit of the first time you took this feat and allow a PC to take the feat a second time (which would mean losing the lower level bonus exalted feats), however, I do not read it that way. If you take the feat a second time, you still have irrevocably lost the benefit of the feat since it's the same feat. For your character, the benefits of the feat do not exist if you broke the vow.



No. You do not lose the feat. You lose the use of the feat. So, the restrictions on what you do are still in effect. If you break the vow, you permanently lose the use of the feat.



Again, if you break the vow, you break the vow. It does not matter if you are on the Moon and do it.

agian i couldent find text ether way, so... anyway the moon is a nice place to visit, but i dont think i would want to live thier.

 

[TYPO5478]

And he was unaware that sianthood existed and made it abundantly clear that I would need to die to become one, in his view.

Did you point out to him that the section on Sainthood specifically says that you don't have to die to become a Saint? You only have to "make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another." My idea was to take a curse on myself in place of another person.

And I'd have to get rez'd to gain sainthood, which he said would go against my VoP.

Also not true: VoP does not prohibit you from having magic (even expensive magic) used on your behalf.

 

[FrostedMini1337]

Did you point out to him that the section on Sainthood specifically says that you don't have to die to become a Saint? You only have to "make an extraordinary sacrifice (not necessarily his or her life) for the good of another." My idea was to take a curse on myself in place of another person.

Also not true: VoP does not prohibit you from having magic (even expensive magic) used on your behalf.

Yeah, I know. I explained this to him. But he knew what he wanted to be done, and that was all that was going to please him. Idea-phobic DM.

The good news is that he's getting married so he won't be playing with us anymore.

 

[Rashak Mani]

Sainthood ? Which Book ?

 

[Particle_Man]

Book of Exalted Deeds.

 

[shilsen]

(Note to ALL DMs: NEVER swallow an Epic Dread Necromancer... he'll kill nearly anything you send at him with level drain. )

Your DM swallowed an Epic Dread Necromancer? That has GOT to give you a stomach ache

 

[frankthedm]

agian i couldent find text ether way, so...

You just need to look harder. Here it is where the BOED notes that evil acts can be forgiven for an exalted character.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4499/vop2sinvi8.gif

Bust the vow and the powers go bye-bye forever. That is why the words are ”irrevocably lose the benefit of the feat.”

ir•rev•o•ca•ble
adj.
Impossible to retract or revoke: an irrevocable decision.

irrevocability ir•rev'o•ca•bil'i•ty or ir•rev'o•ca•ble•ness n.

irrevocably ir•rev'o•ca•bly adv.

 

[Drowbane]

...He ended up winning because of a SERIOUSLY lucky critical... buuut, I got his Max HP sooo low that the next guy crushed him like an egg. It was sweet. He's STILL mad... more made than when i killed his Walking Worm in one round... (Note to ALL DMs: NEVER swallow an Epic Dread Necromancer... he'll kill nearly anything you send at him with level drain...

"Broken" took down your Uber-ghoul because of a.... critical?