Warblade maneuvers

[hong]

Hey! The barbarian in our AOW game was not a cookie-cutter greataxe Power Attacking meat grinder! He used a greatsword.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

The difference between a Cleric and a Favored Soul, when both are built exactly the same way, is completely inconsequential.

Except for the Divine Feat goodness that cleric will pull off with Divine Might and Divine Metamagic.

My real point is that completely arbitrary DM imposed restrictions are annoying.

Yeah. I usually have a reason when I ban something.

Something being too weak is not one of those reasons. If someone insists playing an out-of-the-books sorcerer instead of warlock, warmage, or something similar (not to mention wizard), I won't stop him.

And the warlock replaces the bard...

Nah. Warlock replaces the sorcerer (or, rather, warlock, warmage, beguiler and dread necromancer replace the sorcerer). The bard has replacements like beguiler (or maybe factotum, though I haven't seen the class).

 

[Nail]

*grins* i'm not trying to argue that a warblade isn't powerful... they're really good.

that said... i complained about using 1/4 of my resources on making saves, and you came back using over half... (and yes, at that level... stance of alacrity is awesome for that).

I DM a player with a Mnk 2/Warblade 5. In the same party is a Ftr 7 (with a House Rule to bring Ftrs up to the Warblade's power level: 1 bonus feat each level). So far the comparison has been quite interesting.

In that time, I've *never* been able to nail the Warblade with a Will save. Being able to easily save once per round in combat is enough...not to mention the out-of-combat uses (illusion, charm, etc.).

It's a poorly balanced manuever, IMO.

 

[BASHMAN]

Unless, you know, your campaign calls for specific classes. I've played in games where all base classes were banned, only classes from the Complete Books and alt books (like MoI and ToB) were allowed. It was a lot of fun. I don't think it is at all cruel. Sometimes a campaign calls for specific things.

I am running a campaign like that. The classes from the Player's Handbook do not exist. The Complete Series classes exist, but are for NPCs only. The Players are limited to PH2, Bo9S, and Miniatures Handbook for selecting their classes. I would allow the Factotem from Dungeonscape, but none of us have the book.

The campaign has a Crusader [which I built for the player, using the various Shield feats from PH2, the Shield Crystal from MiC, and the shield maneuvers from his class, he is really hard to hit [even by ranged touch attacks], and can almost automatically negate an attack against an adjacent ally 1/combat.

There was a Warblade, who sadly died at the hands of a troll he taunted, then missed when attempting his Concentration check= DMG maneuver. He was replaced by a Desert Wind specialist Sword Sage.

There is a Silver Dragon Shaman who only shows up about half the time, unfortunately, as I would like a better chance to see what this thing can do. So far, Entangling Exhalation has been working rather well, though.

There is a Centaur who is now taking levels in Knight. This means between his lance [a reach weapon] and his hooves [not a reach weapon] he threatens a 10' radius around himself, meaning that eventually enemies will be unable to get past a 30' square of the battlefield!

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Hey! The barbarian in our AOW game was not a cookie-cutter greataxe Power Attacking meat grinder! He used a greatsword.

Heh, when I was typing up that post, I put greatsword, then backspaced and put greataxe.

And our AOW Barbarian was a Barbarian/Rogue/Warblade/Tempest using a longsword and short sword, and making 4 attacks on a spring attack. With a 60ft fly speed, flanking was easy, and the sneak attacks, when they could happen, made big holes in things.

 

[castro3nw]

I DM a player with a Mnk 2/Warblade 5. In the same party is a Ftr 7 (with a House Rule to bring Ftrs up to the Warblade's power level: 1 bonus feat each level). So far the comparison has been quite interesting.

In that time, I've *never* been able to nail the Warblade with a Will save. Being able to easily save once per round in combat is enough...not to mention the out-of-combat uses (illusion, charm, etc.).

It's a poorly balanced manuever, IMO.

If you've never hit the Warblade with a will save, I can only guess he's either been very lucky or you haven't thrown enough will saves. It only essentially only works for the first will save in a round. The 2nd will save, he's on his own. Then the next round, the maneuver is still expended and he can't refresh because he's already used his swift action up on the immediate action to make a save. Then he can't use a maneuver or change stances while he's recovering... Which means the earliest he can be essentially guaranteed his next will save is 2 rounds later.

Being able to easily save once per round is poorly balanced, I agree. Good thing it's every 2-3 rounds, huh? Especially since he's using 1/4 of his readied maneuver slots to do it.

 

[glass]

I gotcha. I was using as my comparison a level 20 warblade though- and he could still keep a couple of maneuvers of action before thought or moment of perfect mind readied.

What do you mean, 'a couple of manouvres of'? A manouvre is either ready or it isn't.


glass.

 

[Victim]

Something being too weak is not one of those reasons. If someone insists playing an out-of-the-books sorcerer instead of warlock, warmage, or something similar, I won't stop him.

Yeah, because the sorcerer is stronger than warlock or warmage.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yeah, because the sorcerer is stronger than warlock or warmage.

Nah. The Sorcerer is the red-headed stepchild of the other casters.

He might be somewhat versatile, but a wizard is better with this, especially if you can prepare.

He can cast for some time, but the Wizard isn't that far behind, the warmage is on par, and the warlock can just go fulll power all the time.

And he might be able to blast away, but the warmage outperforms him with ease.



If the sorcerer had some class abilities to make up for the lack of bonus feats, it might have been okay, but I prefer the other classes over sorcerer.

 

[Nail]

If you've never hit the Warblade with a will save, I can only guess he's either been very lucky or you haven't thrown enough will saves.

Read carefully: The *other* PCs think I've thrown plenty of Will saves at them.


*That's* the point.