D&D 5E What are the "True Issues" with 5e?

[Minigiant]

There are a lot of things they are thinking, and many different motivations behind change, it doesn't imply a true issue exists.

This is why I more or less only stated the stuff the designers stated were issues via their research.

1. DMG layout
2. Subclass levels
3. Lay of modules and variants for spending or investing treasure
4. (New) Monster variety across CR in MM

 

[DEFCON 1]

The True Issue with 5E is that it is not the Dungeons & Dragons game everybody wants.

Of course, there's never been a version of D&D everybody has wanted, so that issue is not unique to 5E.

 

[Oofta]

Any true issues people bring up in this thread will be shouted down, so I'm not really sure how productive it will be. Will be curious to see if any serious criticism passes the gauntlet. I can't say it would be the greatest surprise of my life, but it would certainly be up there.

Preemptive "Expressing a different opinion is shouting down" argument? While we're still in single digits of posting. Just lost another bet, I was sure it wouldn't come up until at least a post or two about people talking about how the issues raised aren't new, gave options to fix or actually disagreed with the OP.

 

[Velderan]

There are a lot of things they are thinking, and many different motivations behind change, it doesn't imply a true issue exists.

Considering they've had nearly a decade of feedback, there's a lot more weight behind things they're changing as being legitimately things that needed fixing as opposed to random gripes from people on a forum.

 

[Umbran]

The one thing I have not seen debated much is the layout of the books.

Gonna second the layout and indexes issue.

Two words: Font size.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I think that for some tables, gold isn't a problem. After all, you are only limited by what you can imagine gold is useful for!

On the other hand, I do agree that 5e presents very few useful reasons within the game for gold to be spent. As a purely gamist reward mechanism, then, they may want to address this and at least provide compelling game reasons for it to be spent, and thus acquired.

Or maybe they'll save it for an expansion book. Leomund's Large Chest of Capitalism.

 

[Velderan]

The monster CR/encounter building system is at best a guess. Whenever this criticism is brought up, it's usually dismissed because once you understand the system it's usually best to ignore it and I'd agree that was what I did once I was more comfortable with the system. The problem obviously is that's not very friendly to new DMs. It does sound like this is something they're going to look at for the 2024 books so it'll be interesting to see what they come up with.

 

[Frozen_Heart]

I have lots of issues with 5e.

My main issue is lack of full classes. So certain thematic or mechanical niches are just left ignored or done extremely badly.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

Preemptive "Expressing a different opinion is shouting down" argument? While we're still in single digits of posting. Just lost another bet, I was sure it wouldn't come up until at least a post or two about people talking about how the issues raised aren't new, gave options to fix or actually disagreed with the OP.

Absolutely. It's happened in nearly every single criticism thread I've ever seen. Often before the first page is even done.

Prove me wrong! I would love to be the bitter cynic who needs to learn that good still blossoms.

 

[Oofta]

Absolutely. It's happened in nearly every single criticism thread I've ever seen. Often before the first page is even done.

Prove me wrong! I would love to be the bitter cynic who needs to learn that good still blossoms.

I'm working on my list, but I'm not caffeinated yet so it's taking a bit.

Just saying that not every disagreement is "Shouting down".