What do you think of one min per level spells?

[Mark]

This change fits well with the designer's emphasis on "class abilities, not spells," and that's an emphasis with which I wholeheartedly agree.

Do you mean class features?

 

[Umbran]

Yeah, but spells are a class feature!

 

[Schmoe]

Hehe, good one guys. You got me. All youR base are belong to us.

 

[Mark]

Yeah, but spells are a class feature!

...of roughly half the core classes...

 

[BryonD]

Machts Nichts. It's academic anyway... This isn't a "What do you think while we decide what we'll do." This is a "Here's what we've done. Love it or house rule it." In the end it doesn't matter. The options as they stand for me are to push for some sort of compromised errata (since it obviously is a very divided issue), rewrite an alternate system (which I have never liked to do, since it makes pick up games tons tougher), or to write a spell book and officially publish it under the d20 logo to clean up the mess that has been made by a rash choice that obviously doesn't satisfy the vast majority of people.

mess?

rash?

obvious?

vast majority?

 

[Mark]

mess?

rash?

obvious?

vast majority?

Confused?

If ninety percent of the people responding could look at the decision and agree with the change, it would not be a mess, it would not show that the decision was rash, it would be recognized as obviously a good thing, and ninety (or even close to that, would be a vast majority, IMO.

If you are going to be purposefully obtuse, we can just agree to disagree and ignore one another henceforth. Up to you, buddy.

 

[BryonD]

Confused?

If ninety percent of the people responding could look at the decision and agree with the change, it would not be a mess, it would not show that the decision was rash, it would be recognized as obviously a good thing, and ninety (or even close to that, would be a vast majority, IMO.

If you are going to be purposefully obtuse, we can just agree to disagree and ignore one another henceforth. Up to you, buddy.

Why does it take 90%, buddy?

When I look at the poll in this thread and see that 31.17% selected "Great" and only 39.86% selected "Bad Idea", if find it hard to understand how you grant yourself the latitude to use such slanted terms.

I'm sorry if I offended. It seriously was not my intent.

 

[jmucchiello]

Why does it take 90%, buddy?

When I look at the poll in this thread and see that 31.17% selected "Great" and only 39.86% selected "Bad Idea", if find it hard to understand how you grant yourself the latitude to use such slanted terms.

I'm sorry if I offended. It seriously was not my intent.

That's Mark's point. There is not a large groundswell of "this is a great change" with only a few sour apples complaining about the change.

What was the impetuous for this change? What majority of players complained about the buff spells as they were and got the R&D team to "fix" them?

I think I would have preferred the 10min/level method no matter how much our party sorcerer would have complained. And if they didn't drop all 6 spells for the d20 modern Enhance Ability spell. Then this is essentially a nerfing.

 

[BryonD]

That's Mark's point. There is not a large groundswell of "this is a great change" with only a few sour apples complaining about the change.

What was the impetuous for this change? What majority of players complained about the buff spells as they were and got the R&D team to "fix" them?

I think I would have preferred the 10min/level method no matter how much our party sorcerer would have complained. And if they didn't drop all 6 spells for the d20 modern Enhance Ability spell. Then this is essentially a nerfing.

That wasn't his point. At least, that is not what he said. He said the choice did not satisfy the vast majority of people. 61% of the respondants with this poll do not have a problem with it.

So A) The response from ENworld is mixed, making it silly to claim the vast majority high ground (or even a simple majority for that matter) for either position.

and B) It is my understanding that the data gathered by WotC goes far beyond the ENworld circle.

 

[jmucchiello]

That wasn't his point. At least, that is not what he said. He said the choice did not satisfy the vast majority of people. 61% of the respondants with this poll do not have a problem with it.

First of all, some of the neutrals have posted saying they are undecideds so your 61% figure is not accurate.

I read Mark's posts as saying that this is a mess because and near equal amount like as dislike this change. 31% vs 39% is nearly equal given how high the margin for error is on a typical "voluntary" poll.

His main question, never to be unanswered I feel, is why change something that is bad in a few games when it hurts other people with a different play style. Read the other thread about Buff spells to read comments from those who hate the change and why.