What do you think of the post-Endgame Marvel movies? [[the mega poll!]]

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

He'd already made his own before Stark showed up. He webs Stark's hand to a door in their first scene.

Yes, but they immediately said "but the audience doesn't care about this scrappy kid stuff, let's just have Stark give him a tech hero cheat code," which feels like a big misunderstanding of part of the appeal for Spider-Man, which stands out when they got so much else about this version of Peter right.

Where we left him at the end of his third movie is, IMO, part of the core nature of Spider-Man: He needs to be the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and not rubbing shoulders with Tony Stark or Reed Richards except to provide context (he really is that smart) and contrast (he will have trouble paying the rent after he saves the city or even the universe).

 

[MarkB]

Yes, but they immediately said "but the audience doesn't care about this scrappy kid stuff, let's just have Stark give him a tech hero cheat code," which feels like a big misunderstanding of part of the appeal for Spider-Man, which stands out when they got so much else about this version of Peter right.

Aside from where he has the suit taken away from him in Homecoming and he had to fight the Vulture in his own homemade suit, you mean?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Aside from where he has the suit taken away from him in Homecoming and he had to fight the Vulture in his own homemade suit, you mean?

I think having his status quo be various flavors of Iron Spider is a problem, even if there are moments where his situation varies from it.

Even if you like the Iron Spider and other Stark suits, it makes them less special if we haven't seen him schlubbing it in homemade outfits. In the modern era, we've only seen Miles go through that in Spider-Verse.

 

[Eyes of Nine]

Only one of those I've seen was Black Widow, and it was a shave better than "Meh". So i guess that would be "Good"?

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Where we left him at the end of his third movie is, IMO, part of the core nature of Spider-Man: He needs to be the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and not rubbing shoulders with Tony Stark or Reed Richards except to provide context (he really is that smart) and contrast (he will have trouble paying the rent after he saves the city or even the universe).

Exactly correct.

It shocked me that they took three movies to "get it", but I was glad that they did.

It wasn't just the suit either - Spider-Man is a character defined by loss and compassion, in the comics, and historically - he's not violent, he's not righteous, he's not vengeful, and he understands that even good people can do bad or stupid things, or make mistakes or miscalculations. Whereas in the first two Tom Holland movies he just seemed to be an extremely cocky kid who once got a vague lecture on how he shouldn't screw up from an aging arms-dealer who screwed up a bunch of times himself but never really admitted that. And we the audience were directed to admire said arms-dealer. Then he got given increasingly powerful weapon-toys by said arms-dealer (even after his death). And the first movie was bizarre because it tried to excuse/equivocate about Stark's arms-dealing, which is a just moronic approach - why even make a Spider-Man movie about Tony Stark in that way? The second movie was just pretty weak, and barely a Spider-Man movie. But the third it seemed like they'd snapped out of a trance, because suddenly the same people (essentially) seemed to realize, in some detail, what Spider-Man was actually about, and how they could get him to the right place.