What do you want? (Forked Thread: When did I stop being WotC's target audience?)

What if they just gave Ki/Anime characters jumping abilities that were mechanically identical to all the teleportation powers that exist all over 4E. Mechanically identical to teleportation, but the fluff says you jump...
I would absolutely hate this - and please, I don't wish to offend and certainly not criticize anyone who would like this, it just ain't my cup of tea :). I suppose I can see it coming though. I just don't like the idea of warping a "normal" physics. By this I mean that my "fantasy" world assumes regular realworld physics. If you want to defy this, magic or divinity is involved. To try and pass off magical or divine things as just mechanical such as "jumping", just ruins my suspension of disbelief. The parts of 4E like this are obviously the parts I don't like. However, I will defend anybody's right to completely disagree with me on this one obviously - we can't all like the same things.

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Herremann the Wise
 

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I want what a lot of people in this thread don't.

What does that mean?

Probably something similar to my signature in the realm of common sense: Individuals have their own individual preferences.

or

You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

I agree with those saying anime does not belong in D&D. Wrong genre.

Doesn't mean it couldn't be made into its own game that would be ARPG (anime RPG), but D&D isn't the place for it like alcoholic beverages don't belong at AA meetings. :eek:
 


To try and pass off magical or divine things as just mechanical such as "jumping", just ruins my suspension of disbelief.
1. It wouldn't be "just jumping," that's the whole dang point of Ki as a power source.
2. I don't like reskinning teleportation as a ki powered jump either. A ki powered jump should probably just be a jump, but further, and perhap at the cost of a per encounter class or utility power.
 

1. It wouldn't be "just jumping," that's the whole dang point of Ki as a power source.
I'm just on the side of the fence that does not want ki anywhere near my fantasy game. It's not in the fantasy fiction I read which I base my games on. For me, such things belong in an Oriental Adventures/Wuxia/Anime style game, and I personally regret that D&D is going down this path (again). I accept it, but I just don't like it.

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Herremann the Wise
 

I'm just on the side of the fence that does not want ki anywhere near my fantasy game. It's not in the fantasy fiction I read which I base my games on.
But the point with regards to the anime issue is not just "I don't want it at my table". It's "Should it be at anyone's table."

You're well and truly within your right to say what you do and do not allow at your table. But where is the line in deciding what is in D&D as a whole? I really don't see Cadfan advocating that anime should be in PHB I front and center and everyone should have to use it.

As Cadfan pointed out, Big Tent D&D vs. Small Tent: smaller tastes be accommodated in various splatbooks without it causing a huge uproar and being labeled Not D&D. D&D being more than just what you like but what others likes too.

The only people who will use it are those that want it. Why can't they have it?
 
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But the point with regards to the anime issue is not just "I don't want it at my table". It's "Should it be at anyone's table."

You're well and truly within your right to say what you do and do not allow at your table. But where is the line in deciding what is in D&D as a whole?

As Cadfan pointed out, Big Tent D&D vs. Small Tent: smaller tastes be accommodated in various splatbooks without it causing a huge uproar. D&D being more than just what you like but what others likes too.

The only people who will use it are those that want it. Why can't they have it?

I know I saw it in this post, but where it went I have no idea.....

The idea it shouldn't be a staple part for many, but being in a supplement like PHBIV that was mentioned in that post isn't a problem, so long as it is not a core part of the game.

There should be allowance for many things, so long as they fit the genre, but really anime is not just something that could be added to D&D and needs it's own game.

Record of Lodoss Wars, and Slayers are not all that anime is, and when you mention adding anime to D&D you get ALL anime in that such as DBZ, Mecha's, Mahou Shoujo, etc that just doesn't fit with everything else in D&D.

There should be an anime RPG, but even d20 didn't work well for it, as the Trigun books showed.

It doesn't really have to do with peanut butter cups and mixing chocolate and peanut butter, but more to what makes sense.

So some would prefer to have a game clean and free of those silly things such as kamehamahe blasts, catgirls, furries, mechas, etc.

I mean what point is a crossbow or bow with all the power structure of 4th when you have someone that can fire a GumGum blast from 300 yards away just to punch you and your weapons can't even hurt a rubber man because of some cursed fruit?

So not all things will translate directyl to D&D, but they don't have to at its core. They can have their own games, or have a nich set of books to expound them into the game just fine, like non-anime but oriental things, or even psionics.

Not everyone will like them, but a place CAN be made for them without upsetting people that feel they violate the original genre.

You also have to allow for those people liking to anime or other aspects to understand that not everyone wants them, so as to why it should be extremely optional as many groups may not allow them.

I don't think the current game can support them, or any RPG that does not set out intent on adding them all from the beginning will ever really be able to support them, but your wishes are valid to you as to what you want in it.

D&D will never be the all inclusive genre game, that was what GURPS was made for. Sadly when D&D tries to add that it will lose everything and fall because the system just wasn't made for it as the Trigun, Bleach, Naruto, etc d20 books showed in lack of players. Those games also weren't D&D, and didn't work so well in the d20 framework. The physics for the anime universes are really too diverse. :(
 

But the point with regards to the anime issue is not just "I don't want it at my table". It's "Should it be at anyone's table."
I have no problem at all with it being in a splat as additional thing. Diversity in this form is cool.

You're well and truly within your right to say what you do and do not allow at your table. But where is the line in deciding what is in D&D as a whole? I really don't see Cadfan advocating that anime should be in PHB I front and center and everyone should have to use it.
But as far as I see it, it actually is. A very small selection of wahoo powers in the 4E PHB are exactly this. Small enough to ignore/accept, but enough for me to raise the eyebrow and say, I don't like this direction.

As Cadfan pointed out, Big Tent D&D vs. Small Tent: smaller tastes be accommodated in various splatbooks without it causing a huge uproar and being labeled Not D&D. D&D being more than just what you like but what others likes too.
I have no problem with this at all.

The only people who will use it are those that want it. Why can't they have it?
Bless their hearts they can. Just please not in the core though.

Best Regards
Herremann the Wise
 

I caused a thread forking. Huzzah!

Also, I agree with Fallen Seraph with how many forked threads have been created. Is this like the fifth one?

I have to ask why must WOTC provide everything? It may not make sense for WOTC to make certain things like anime books or old school books. That doesn't mean no one is willing to make those things.

As for anime's power level, it does tend to go pretty high. However, once you get past level 9, you 3.5 character can do really powerful things. Things that wouldn't be out of place in many animes. Once you get into the really high levels, your fighter better be like Goku if he wants hang with the Batman wizards and CoDzillas of the world.
 

I caused a thread forking. Huzzah!

Also, I agree with Fallen Seraph with how many forked threads have been created. Is this like the fifth one?

I have to ask why must WOTC provide everything? It may not make sense for WOTC to make certain things like anime books or old school books. That doesn't mean no one is willing to make those things.

As for anime's power level, it does tend to go pretty high. However, once you get past level 9, you 3.5 character can do really powerful things. Things that wouldn't be out of place in many animes. Once you get into the really high levels, your fighter better be like Goku if he wants hang with the Batman wizards and CoDzillas of the world.

WotC doesn't have to make it, but to be D&D they must allow you to use their stuff via OGL or GSL, if you want it to say D&D in some special logo way or something, and are not K&C that is run by a lawyer and knows how to do it otherwise.

Having fans be able to create material is what the game has always needed, but still that is a long way off before it can happen big scale, because most fans are too afraid by the legal mumbo-jumbo in the OGL/GSL even to bother writing anything.

There is just too much money in D&D since the Blumes takeover for fans to stand a chance to be able to grow the game in any direction including but not limited to anime style gaming, etc. Not to mention you have to get in touch with those people to get permission for licenses as well.

It really is hurting many industries all the licensing hangups because nobody trusts anyone else in the industry let alone ouside of them. :(
 

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