What does "does not stack with" mean?

[SpikeyFreak]

In regards to haste and the speed enchantment, anyway.

Haste allows for an extra partial action.

Speed gives you an extra attack with that weapon every round.

Does that mean that using a speed weapon means you don't get the extra action?

Does it mean that taking a partial action prevents you from using the speed weapon?

Or does it mean that you can't use speed weapon during a haste partial action but you can during the standard or full-round action?

The terminology on this one really irritates me. How can you use the term "stack" when talking about something that give you an extra action and someone that gives you one more attack per round?

It seems to me that the most logical way to interpret that is that you can't use a speed weapon to get one more attack during a haste partial, but you can get 1 extra attack from speed and one extra attack from haste in the same round.

Does anyone have any official rulings on this?

--Flash Spikey

 

[kreynolds]

No official rulings here but it seems pretty clear cut to me. Speed can't be used in the same round as a haste action. A haste action can't be used in the same round as speed. This would apply even if you have 2 weapons of speed. IMHO, of course.

 

[Caliban]

It seems to me that the most logical way to interpret that is that you can't use a speed weapon to get one more attack during a haste partial, but you can get 1 extra attack from speed and one extra attack from haste in the same round.

Does anyone have any official rulings on this?

--Flash Spikey

I believe that is the correct interpretation. I haven't seen anything "official" on it though.

 

[graydoom]

My interpretation of that has always been that you the partial action granted by a Speed weapon (which lets you attack one more time with that weapon, and nothing else) cannot be used in the same round as a partial action from Haste, and a partial action from Haste cannot be used in the same round as a partial action from a Speed weapon.

 

[kreynolds]

...but you can get 1 extra attack from speed and one extra attack from haste...

That is a perfect example of "stacking" right there. I would think anyway.

 

[Caliban]

My interpretation of that has always been that you the partial action granted by a Speed weapon (which lets you attack one more time with that weapon, and nothing else) cannot be used in the same round as a partial action from Haste, and a partial action from Haste cannot be used in the same round as a partial action from a Speed weapon.

Except that a Speed weapon specifically does not grant a partial action. It grants a single extra attack at your highest BAB.

 

[kreynolds]

Except that a Speed weapon specifically does not grant a partial action. It grants a single extra attack at your highest BAB.

Dude. Come on. You know what he meant. (Secretly, I'm just feeling burned by Caliban because he made me look like an idiot a few minutes ago. Well...OK. I made myself look stupid. But he just HAD to point it out! )

 

[Caliban]

Re: Re: What does "does not stack with" mean?

That is a perfect example of "stacking" right there. I would think anyway.

No, because the extra attack is not taking place during the haste action.

If they stacked, you would get an extra attack during your normal action, and an extra attack during the haste action, for a total of 3 extra attacks (2 from the Speed weapon, 1 from the Haste).

Since they don't stack, you only get one from the Haste and one from the Speed Weapon (for a total of 2 extra attacks).

The text is vaguely worded, but that seems to be the least contradictory interpretation, at least to me.

 

[SpikeyFreak]

Re: Re: What does "does not stack with" mean?

That is a perfect example of "stacking" right there. I would think anyway.

If that is what they meant, then does that also restrict using the speed weapon's extra attack and doing something like drink a potion?

--Extrapolating Spikey

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: What does "does not stack with" mean?

No, because the extra attack is not taking place during the haste action.

If they stacked, you would get an extra attack during your normal action, and an extra attack during the haste action, for a total of 3 extra attacks (2 from the Speed weapon, 1 from the Haste).

Since they don't stack, you only get one from the Haste and one from the Speed Weapon.

The text is vaguely worded, but that seems to be the least contradictory interpretation, at least to me.

OK! OBviously, you and I just aren't on the same page today! Anyways... That's what I was saying. I was saying that the example of "stacking" means that it WILL NOT WORK. Better? I swear, with the misunderstandings between you and I, everyone's gonna start thinking we're married or something.