What is real BBQ?

From my wife's side of it

www.moonlite.com in KY

BBQ Mutton. Yeah, sheep. tastes great; go to a church picnic in Kentucky and try some.

Burgoo great soup with mutton, veggies and dead chickens. Not much better than that.

in our neighborhood in NC, mall at 54 and Cary Parkway, there is a John's BBQ that has wet and dry BBQ and lets you put the sauce on; three or four different things on the table for you to try. Nice fried catfish sandwich, too.

in the same shopping center is Dakota Grill. Bison burgers, I think elk and some mundane things I've never tried. Apparently bison is healthier burger due to low fat; it tastes good but I wouldn't make a habit of it.
 

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Shemeska said:
And back on topic I just bought some fairly decent premade pulled pork BBQ here at a local foodstore that is probably some of the best stuff I've had outside of a true BBQ restaurant or somebody's backyard BBQ pit.

What premade? If need be include the name of the store also! I don't think we have a problem with product placement here! ;)
 

ragboy said:
My main BBQ rules are:

- No sauce on the meat while it cooks. (other than chicken)
- Slow slow slow cook/smoked.
- Gotta have spice.
- No sweet sauces (I don't care for KC BBQ).
- Always use wood or coal with wood chips. If you want to cook with gas, use your stove...
- Always have beer. (And absolutely no beer marinades, other than for the chef).

Amen, my brother, amen. I agree with almost all of your points. You, sir, are invited to any bar-b-que I have.

Here in Alabama there is the local bbq, mostly pork and chicken with spicy tomato based sauces, but I have a few personal preferences.

St Louis Ribs, homemade spice rub, with just a little light spray every now and then with a water/salt/vinegar/lemon juice solution to help 'em stay nice and moist *if needed* (if you do it right, you wont need it). Drop them on a moderately hot fire to sear the outside very briefly, then *slow* cook on a very smokey enclosed fire. The best way is to use one of those two-chamber smokers, you can start the fire and sear 'em on the lower firebox, then drop on a bunch of water-soaked hickory or mesquite, get it smokey, and hang 'em in the smoke box.

Chicken, do NOT remove the skin, and brine 'em the night before or the morning of with a water/lime juice/lemon juice/salt/sugar/garlic/whatever concoction. Take 'em out of the brine, rub 'em down with a spicy rub, then drop 'em on a fairly hot charcoal and wood grill fire and cook those bad boys. Spray 'em lightly every now and then if you're using cut-up chickens or breasts, but if using the whole chickens, you take a 3/4 full can of beer and stuff it in the cavity top-up and let it ride (Pierce calls it Beer-Butt chicken, and it's damn good).

Boston Butts, pork shoulder, or a good thick brisket or london broils (pretty much any really big roast-sized pork/beef): Inject with a garlic-based marinade, give 'em some spice rub, and toss them in the smoker for an hour per pound slooooow cook. Make sure to have a water pan in the smoker to give moisture to the smoke... keeps 'em moist and helps the smoke flavor penetrate all the way through.

Sausage. Mmmm... start with good SPICY sausage, preferrably hot Italian, Brats, Andouille, Keilbasa, or Boudin (bland sausage is a waste of time and meat, two things I dont tolerate), and cook over a wood and charcoal fire. Smoke 'em if you got the time. 'Nuff said.

Now sometimes I'll smoke a chicken or turkey as I would the pork butts/shoulder, or some other kind of nice sounding method just for a nice variety. Another thing I like to keep in mind is at the end of a big smoke-out with the big pork/beef I'll throw some fish (there's nothing like smoking to bring out the best flavors in fish) or chicken breasts on the smoker with a nice spicy-citrus or butter-dill glaze, because I hate to waste a good fire :). I find that if I toss on a couple pieces of dry quick-burning wood on that slow fire (when you're done with the big stuff) and heat it up, I can get a few extra things cooked in the ensuing hot smokey fire that dont take as long (15-20 minutes tops), and the entire fire burns itself out a lot quicker (meaning I don't have to worry about keeping an eye on it as long after I'm finished, which is good with kids and a dog).

Ones I havent done but have been to and like:

One southern tradition that I've grown to love, but have never actually done myself, is the deep-fried turkey. Yeah, it sounds weird, but you inject and spice rub a whole turkey, then the entire thing is dropped in a big boiler of peanut oil sitting on an outside cooker. It will literally change the way you think about turkey for the rest of your life.

A Cantonese or Thai bar-b-que is exciting, spicy as all hell, and fun also. When I was young I thought bar-b-que was a southern thing, but have learned that folks from all over the globe know their stuff also, and theirs may be different but can be just as good. I've even had jerk goat from a street vendor in Jamaica, spicy-as-hell rubbed meat cooked over a fire made of the wood from the tree that Allspice comes from, which is a GREAT flavoring agent. Even had the whole-pig-rubbed-in-salt, wrapped in palm fronds and dropped in a hot fire pit

But, as long as there is wood burning, meat on a grill/spit/freakin' flat rock over or in it, and beer, it's Bar-B-Que, and I'm all up for it. I once cooked bacon and eggs on a grill when I was drunk in college when the power was out, liked it, and lived to tell the tale :)

As far as sauces go, I like most of 'em but prefer the tangy/spicy to sweet. And if it's a sweet sauce, it better be spicy as hell also, or it's not gonna go on my bar-b-que. However, most of the time I cook I put out good sauces for those that prefer 'em, but I cook with the notion that if you *have* to have sauce with the meat, then you didnt cook the damn meat right :). That being said, I mostly go for sauce on a pulled-meat sandwich, but on ribs, chicken, and beef, I prefer to let the rub and the smoke stand for itself.

Note:

BTW, I've had that new-fangled white sauce here in Alabama, which has become popular in the last 10-15 years. That recipe posted above sounds about right for it, though the ones I like are a good bit spicier. It is very good on chicken, and makes a nice dressing for those low-carb folks that insist on putting that pulled pork in a salad and eating it. You will find it in quite a few places in Alabama these days, and it's worth a try.
 

der_kluge said:
And this crap they serve in Virginia is a joke.

Red, Hot, & Blue
Richmond
9503-C W. Broad St.
Richmond, VA 23294


Non-crappy Virginia BBQ.

Oh, and I like my ribs dry. Dry, dry, dry. You sauce boys have been drinking too much vinegar.
 


Joshua Dyal said:
Indeed. I went to a place this last weekend that had what they called "Nasty" BBQ sauce, with habanero flavor. It wasn't really hot at all, though, and it was really sweet, which is a cardinal sin in association with meat of any kind.

Totally wussy. Even my 9-year old son wasn't impressed. He's become a bit of a hot sauce sophisticate in the last year or two, though. Makes an old man proud.

Heh. This reminds me of when I was cooking at my in-laws house a little while back. I was making salsa to go along with some South of the Border Bar-b-que I was doing for them, and my mother-in-law was talking about how hot my salsa was when she tasted it. I told her that we didnt think it was that hot, and she asked if I thought the kids could stomach something like that. She turned to look at my 7 year old son, and he was fishing jalapeno peppers out of the jar with 2 fingers and stuffing them into his mouth. He would suck air into his mouth, smile, and keep eating 'em. She looked at me all google eyed and said "My GOD Jim, you LET him do that?!?".

I just looked at her and said "let him? Hell I just about can't stop hijm. He better cut it out before we run out."

He piped up at that point and said "anyway nana, it's ok, these are pickled peppers"

It definitely made the old man proud.
 

ragboy said:
Another Texan, but I've lost my prejudice for Tomato-based BBQ. My preference is:

- Brisket, marinated for about 15 minutes and then slow cooked over CHARCOAL and damp mesquite chips until the meat simply melts in your mouth. I also use a home-grown brisket rub. If it's brisket, then it has to be tomato-based sauce, with just enough spice to warrant two beers per plate. - Always drink Shiner beer with Brisket.

- Pork - Again marinated about 15 minutes in a vinegar-based marinade. Always cooked on charcoal and usually pecan or some other flavorful wood chips...can't remember what I used last. I'm totally down with the vinegar-based sauce. (My Virginia wife converted me...) - Always drink a light beer with Pork. I'm not much on American beers, but something like Fosters goes down right with Virginia/NC Pork.

- Chicken - I marinate and baste chicken in tomato-based sauce. The only kind of meat that I have to have sauce on while it cooks. I usually do BBQ chicken "Mexican Style." So there's chili powder, onions, jalapenos (fresh, not pickled), and other grilled vegetables. And CORN tortillas, thank you. I don't care for doughy flour tortillas. Always drink a Mexican beer with BBQ chicken. I don't care for Corona, but Dos Equis is a good one...

-Sausage... always extremely spicy. Can't stand bland sausage. Always have fresh bread, saurkraut, and spicy German mustard. Always drink a German bier with sausage. If I can swing it, fresh Pils from one of the breweries in New Braunfels.

My main BBQ rules are:

- No sauce on the meat while it cooks. (other than chicken)
- Slow slow slow cook/smoked.
- Gotta have spice.
- No sweet sauces (I don't care for KC BBQ).
- Always use wood or coal with wood chips. If you want to cook with gas, use your stove...
- Always have beer. (And absolutely no beer marinades, other than for the chef).
So, ragboy, when's your next cookout? :)

Gentlegamer "needin' to get outta Houston soon"
 

My first post and I wwalk in to a TROLL - what a rube...

Now for all that have posted I appreciate your candor and spirit. Of course southerners and northerners both think they have the best of this and that and we that originally hale from those places in the heartland just smile and nod our heads sympathetically - basically because y'all are a bunch of blow hards. :)

As for real BBQ - let's go to school shall we -
First the dry stuff - Ok, I'll give the Texans credit where its due - Beef brisket, dry rubbed in a vinegar marinade is quite tasty - but once it's been smoked - get rid of that nasty sweet, smokey Texan sauce - it's like putting sugar in corn bread - :eek:

As for the Carolinians, dry smoked pork is quite tasty. It should be sliced, not pulled or shredded and hung for at least 4 hours in the smokehouse before cooking - but mustard based suaces are best left to chicken. Smother in somethin' rich and sassy - tomatoe based but cayanne kissed. ;)

Now for the wet stuff -
Ribs are better wet - end of story - Wet St. Louis style ribs win hands down - If you don't have to wear a bib and gloves to stay clean, you either have bad ribs or you aren't tryin' hard enough. It ain't good unless you get some on ya'! Sauce should be smokey and sweet but have a fire as well - not hot for hot's sake, but tasty enough you should be tastin' it all night.

Wet pulled pork is alright, but I prefer wet chicken - drag out that Carolina mustard and drown that poultry! Fire up your grill and cook til' it sizzles! Oh-boy, we cookin' now.

Fixins - BBQ ain't BBQ without extras
First off Corn on the cob - now with all due respects to the other parts of the country - If it doesn't come from Illinois, Missouri or Iowa (and maybe a few places in So. Indiana) YOUR CORN SUCKS!!! Have it trucked in and taste the sweetest, largest, most tender stuff from God's green earth. Boil it in buttered water or roast it over an open flame; it will set off the
firey BBQ with a smooth, buttery taste.

Beans - no offense to Boston (they rock) but they don't quite go with BBQ, go with a Mississippi, shredded pork added baked bean, maybe with some peppers or onions added in for taste - add the hottest roasted tomatoe style sauce you can find - live in Nirvana

Coleslaw - I can't stand it, but a Southern style, low milk (ie - dry style) works best with BBQ. However, wet style will work with chicken, ala KFC (I still haven't figured out why)

Potatoes - Mashed or smashed (not whipped) with butter and a touch of roasted garlic (enhances the fire from the BBQ sauce). Potato salad works, but cools the suace flavor instead of enhances. If that's what you want - go for it.

Green beans or 3-bean salad - I like it, a much better cooling food than potato salad in my book and has much more interesting flavor and texture. Plain green beans should be boiled to al dente' not mush so as to contrast the floppy BBQ'd meat. Give your mouth somethin' to do!

Desert - King's choice - pretty much anything goes - Southern style apple pie, northern style apple mush/crumbles, peach cobbler, blueberry buckle, chocloate mousse (or moose if your Alaskan), what ever floats your boat!

Drinks - Wine is right out! I love wine with good food, it just doesn't work - not even a garbage can wine cooler (If you don't know what that is, ask a California beach bum) :cool: Beer works - but get rid of that cheap American crap - watered down horse whizz! Grow some hair on your chest and pick something with some flavor for God's sake! A smooth red ale work well with Beef and a stout goes well with pork, a pale lauger works with chicken, but play around. Iced tea is however, the Queen's choice for accompanying BBQ (with lemonade right behind) t4ea should be sweet - lemonade tart (but not bitter). Do the southern thing and seve your tea with crumbled up corn bread in it. (Yep, you heard me) (see corn bread below)

Corn bread - Ah, nature's most perfect food (or at least one of them) Southerner's have the right idea, northern's learn how to do it right - first off corn bread is not cake minus the icing!!! If you make your corn bread in anything other than a cast iron skillet, stop right now and go get one! Corn bread should be flat, not fluffy, crumbly but not hard - dark golden brown on top and bottom, and a soft lemon yellow in the center. It shouldn't clump or be moist and it shouldn't have a sheen on top of it (Charlie, Martin or otherwise)! If you've had it this way and think it's too dry - please do us all a favor and have yourself beaten. :lol:

Hope this settles all this BBQ non-sence! Now - LET's EAT!!!

The above statements, while true are characterized in a tongue in cheek manner - if you were offend by the tone, please understand it was not meant personally as I have probably never met you. However, I stand by my statements and the candor of my speech. :D
 



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