D&D 5E What To Do With Racial ASIs?

[Maxperson]

Corrected by the low number of characters that ever hit a 3rd ASI, though.

Clearly, people do use Feats. But it is a minority overall.

No. Not people. Levels. People clearly do use feats once they get past their feeling that they NEED the unnecessary ASI's. That happens at 8th level for nearly half of everyone and at 12th level for 58%. They just don't often get to the level where they would choose them. That is not the same is feats being unpopular. The solution is to change it so that they can have the feats that they want without losing the ASI's they feel that they need.

 

[Maxperson]

Almost like a large number of characters contributing to those percentages are just test builds that WotC controlled for in their analysis

I didn't make the test build argument.

 

[Maxperson]

I mean, Feats are fairly popular, it's a solid minority that's into them. The design as it stands is a really pretty amazing acommodation between differing styles, even allowing people to choose differently at the same table with no negative consequences.

58% is not a minority. It's a majority. The issue is the way people get feats in 5e prevents people from getting the feats that they want. They don't get to the levels where they feel that it's worth skipping an ASI for the feats that they want.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I didn't make the claim.

There is a thing I like to tell people in situations like these, that relates to the nature of the internet, and especially debates on the internet.

You’re in a library. Right now, while you are reading this. I know that, because you have to enter the library in order to read this. What you are asking for is for a person who has said, “There is a book by wotc that states that a minority of players take feats”, is for them to go find and retrieve that book for you.

No. You’re in a library. You know how to use the reference cards. You have the necessary terms with which to use the reference cards to find the book. Go get the book at read it yourself.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I mean, Feats are fairly popular, it's a solid minority that's into them. The design as it stands is a really pretty amazing acommodation between differing styles, even allowing people to choose differently at the same table with no negative consequences.

IMO, minority of users = not that popular, but that’s splitting hairs.

 

[Maxperson]

There is a thing I like to tell people in situations like these, that relates to the nature of the internet, and especially debates on the internet.

You’re in a library. Right now, while you are reading this. I know that, because you have to enter the library in order to read this. What you are asking for is for a person who has said, “There is a book by wotc that states that a minority of players take feats”, is for them to go find and retrieve that book for you.

No. You’re in a library. You know how to use the reference cards. You have the necessary terms with which to use the reference cards to find the book. Go get the book at read it yourself.

Hot dogs taste good.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Hot dogs taste good.

I’m sure you think you’ve got a good zinger in or whatever, but this is just sad, Max.

 

[Maxperson]

I’m sure you think you’ve got a good zinger in or whatever, but this is just sad, Max.

I was just posting a non-sequitur like you did is all. I didn't make the claim that the characters on D&D Beyond were test builds. That's all I was saying. Your response was nonsensical as a response to what I said.

Edit: My apologies. I was confusing my later post to @Charlaquin. Your response wasn't great, but it was a response. My bad.

The rules of argument matter. I'm not doing someone else's work for them. If I go to a library, I'm seeking the knowledge about something. If someone comes to me while I'm in the library and makes a claim, they can go the the damned book themself.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I was just posting a non-sequitur like you did is all. I didn't make the claim that the characters on D&D Beyond were test builds. That's all I was saying. Your response was nonsensical as a response to what I said.

Edit: My apologies. I was confusing my later post to @Charlaquin. Your response wasn't great, but it was a response. My bad.

The rules of argument matter. I'm not doing someone else's work for them. If I go to a library, I'm seeking the knowledge about something. If someone comes to me while I'm in the library and makes a claim, they can go the the damned book themself.

This is just dogma. Dogma deserves no respect.

The world has changed, it is absurd to ask someone to work for you.

 

[Maxperson]

This is just dogma. Dogma deserves no respect.

The world has changed, it is absurd to ask someone to work for you.

The rules of argument have not changed. The burden of proof is still on the one making the claim, no matter how much you might wish it to be otherwise. The only one here asking someone to do someone else's work is you.