D&D (2024) What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?

What type of ranger?

  • Spell-less Ranger

    Votes: 59 48.4%
  • Spellcasting Ranger

    Votes: 63 51.6%

And now in 2023 the OSR exists and isn't a market mainline DND is ever going to tap back into in any significant way.

You really need to stop negotiating with people that aren't there
The designers are still negotiating with them.

I am fine with cutting 10 pages of spells out the game and adding an actual Wilderness subsystem in the PHB.

But WOTC is full out wizard fanboys and they'll NEVER cut their spell list to create a 20 level wilderness subsystem.

That again is the issue. You need to cut something to fit a wilderness system for the ranger to be built off of. And the 5e ranger has a lot of magic which needs to be replicated mundanely.
 

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The main lesson for Ranger "woodsiness" is: no maintenance, no chores.

Even video-game "grinding" can become a chore. Random encounters get passe.

There must be a purpose to be in the wilderness in the first place, with both short-term and long-term rewards, beyond getting to the other side.

There must be a compelling reason why the players dont step onto the Teleportation Circle.

And for what it is worth, in my settings, most towns have an official Teleport Circle, and organize it somewhat like an airport, with people passing thru security checks and waiting at nearby pubs and such, for their destination to arrive on the Circle.
 

That's where you lost me.

If I'm being asked to track something additional, I'm already Audi 9000. I accelerated away so fast I broke atmo.

When the chances of you doing so are slim and the effort requires is less than it takes to write a single letter?

Again it comes down to being assumptive of what you'd feel based on very poor implementations in other games.

Think about how often you roll a 1 when you're rolling damage. Thats how often you'd need to make a tick mark. The cognitive load is seeing it, picking up a pen, and making a mark. Thats it.

It takes more effort to track your health.

Regarding hit points. The only hit points that actually matter are "zero hit points". Everything else is near misses and fatigue or (below half max) sloppiness, scrapes and bruises.

To be fair, I like spell points. But each spell point is for something dramatic, consequential, meaningful, and purposeful.

Exactly. Thats what lead to my idea to make your Energies the same things that define your Saving throw numbers. If you have low Composure (HP), you're not only going to be weaker at resisting Composure saves, but your own Composure saves will be weaker too.

Gives a good incentive keep your CP up, avoiding yo-yo healing problems, and you can then take that basic mechanic and have it interact with a number of things, chief among them Survival. Neglecting your needs has a real and easy to follow impact on your performance without it being arbitrarily restrictive to combat or recover from.

I would certainly like to see more guidance on using wilderness based set pieces as non-combat encounters. Like, skill challenges. That sort of thing I could get behind, much more than the idea of constant foraging as a regular part of adventure.

Those are the same thing, fyi.

Every time someone say their experience doesn’t match yours, you always respond that it’s because we’re doing it wrong.

No, what I actually said is that other games handle these mechanics poorly, and its clouding your judgement.

You've never actually tried my mechanics and are prejudging it based on your experiences in other games.

Its fine to not be convinced as you obviously don't have the means to play with my system, but its not fine to act as though the ideas Im presenting are a dead end based on nothing other than prejudice.
 


The designers are still negotiating with them.

And you're still not acknowledging that you are negotiating ahead of time and ceding all the ground.

Thats why this ongoing conversation over the last month has gone nowhere across however many topics.

That again is the issue. You need to cut something to fit a wilderness system for the ranger to be built off of. And the 5e ranger has a lot of magic which needs to be replicated mundanely.

Not really. They can in fact just put more in the books. There isn't a page limit.
 

When the chances of you doing so are slim and the effort requires is less than it takes to write a single letter?

Again it comes down to being assumptive of what you'd feel based on very poor implementations in other games.

Think about how often you roll a 1 when you're rolling damage. Thats how often you'd need to make a tick mark. The cognitive load is seeing it, picking up a pen, and making a mark. Thats it.

It takes more effort to track your health.
I don't think you're quite understanding how I'm not down for doing this in addition to recording damage.

No offense to the hard work I'm sure you've put into this, but your goal is still 'make me do what I don't want to do'. It doesn't matter if you're offering carrots instead of sticks if I still don't want to do it.

Like, I absolute hate getting consumables in video games. In Minecraft, I shotgun dozens of potions so I get hours of effect so I don't have to carry them around. That how much I hate logistics.
 

I don't think you're quite understanding how I'm not down for doing this in addition to recording damage.

No offense to the hard work I'm sure you've put into this, but your goal is still 'make me do what I don't want to do'. It doesn't matter if you're offering carrots instead of sticks if I still don't want to do it.

Like, I absolute hate getting consumables in video games. In Minecraft, I shotgun dozens of potions so I get hours of effect so I don't have to carry them around. That how much I hate logistics.

And thats fine. You either agree that all trackables should be removed or you accept the cognitive dissonance.

Either way, its an impasse and you don't have to keep trying to engage my responses.
 


And thats fine. You either agree that all trackables should be removed or you accept the cognitive dissonance.

Either way, its an impasse and you don't have to keep trying to engage my responses.
All or nothing is all you have? I’m guessing there’s a whole excluded middle there.
 

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