Whedon off Wonder Woman

[Hypersmurf]

The writing and acting were above par, and the stories were good once they got the initial intros done (it had one of the worst series openers I can ever remember seeing).

Was that the series opener Serenity (Parts 1 & 2), or the series opener The Train Job?

-Hyp.

 

[DonTadow]

In a likely futal attempt to get this thread back on topic. Given that Whedon has left, WB has grabbed the rights to the WW II script, Joel Silver is still involved and everyone hates everyone and secretly wishes them ill...

What do you anticipate for the Wonder Woman flick? Me, I'm betting on a return to development hell.

Yeah I'd suspect development hell. Without a big name or something flashy attached to it, i dont see it going anywhere. Wonderwoman just isnt an iconic enough character.

 

[Umbran]

It was canceled after half a season. By definition, it's a failure.

No - by definition, it didn't continue. Sales of DVDs since then stand as ample evidence that this wasn't so much a failure of the series, as a studio not realizing what they had.

Character-wise, they got one thing right - Captain Malcolm Reynolds. Everyone else was severely lacking in depth. The doctor's sister, for instance, only became a remotely interesting character in the last episode that aired - and since a disproportionate amount of the plot revolved around her....

In a series that had 13 episodes, and 9 main characters, you should have expected just a bit more than one episode's worth of depth and development per character. Seems to me they beat the average there.

And yes, River was as much a McGuffin as a character. Even on good shows, they can't all be gems.

 

[Grog]

There is the fact that the show was aired out of order, and the last episodes weren't even aired. Compare Firefly to the first 13 episodes of Buffy and you'll see that, technically, it was superior.

Well, sure it was technically superior. The budget for the first 13 episodes of Firefly was probably ten times the budget for the first 13 episodes of Buffy, if not more. It damn well should be technically superior, given that.

As for other ways of measuring quality, though, that's strictly a matter of opinion. And in my opinion, the first 13 episodes of Buffy were superior to Firefly, the series. In the initial episodes of Buffy, the core characters (Buffy, Willow, Giles, and Xander) were all well-drawn and well-developed, and they all had moments in those early episodes that were intrinsically theirs. This wasn't the case for most of the Firefly characters. Except for the captain, they were mostly one- or two-note cutouts that simply weren't that interesting. *shrug*

 

[Grog]

Was that the series opener Serenity (Parts 1 & 2), or the series opener The Train Job?

Both, actually. "Serenity" was boring (it felt like they stretched a one-hour episode into two), and "The Train Job" was cookie-cutter writing that could have come from anybody's desk.

 

[Grog]

No - by definition, it didn't continue. Sales of DVDs since then stand as ample evidence that this wasn't so much a failure of the series, as a studio not realizing what they had.

Look, I liked Firefly, but it was obvious to me from the first episode that it wasn't long for this world. It might have lasted a season or two on a network like UPN or the WB, or maybe even a few seasons on the Sci-Fi Channel, but on FOX, it was dead in the water before the first episode even aired. It simply was not going to pull the kind of ratings that FOX wanted/needed, which led to a quick cancellation, which makes it a failure by broadcast TV standards. DVD sales don't enter into it.

 

[Ranger REG]

It was canceled after half a season. By definition, it's a failure.

It fails to get mainstream to watch. But as a genre fan, I don't follow them sorry lot.

 

[Ranger REG]

Hmm, see I thought it was a big deal back then, too. The movie was in production hell for years and when it was finally announced the fan base (which is huge) went nuts and ate up every design, photo and trailer. Remember the debate over the Green Goblin helmet?

Among comic book fans, it was a big deal. They didn't want Spider-Man to be as campy as Batman & Robin.

 

[Richards]

I'm tempted to ask, "If Whedon is off Wonder Woman, can I get on her?"

But that would be crude.

Johnathan

 

[Ranger REG]

I'm tempted to ask, "If Whedon is off Wonder Woman, can I get on her?"

But that would be crude.

She prefers to be on top.