Whedon off Wonder Woman

[Hypersmurf]

I think what Reg was talking about was that no one expected Spider Man to be a high-profile movie franchise before the first one came out.

Ah, I see.

Then I'm not sure I understand the point... he doesn't understand how a director with no high-profile film credits was picked to helm a project nobody expected to be high-profile? Or he doesn't understand how a director with no high-profile film credits helming a project nobody expected to be high-profile managed to turn it into a high-profile movie?

-Hyp.

 

[John Crichton]

I think what Reg was talking about was that no one expected Spider Man to be a high-profile movie franchise before the first one came out. Certainly a change from James Cameron to Sam Raimi said that the studio didn't expect it to be one of the most profitable film franchises of the last decade.

It's a big deal NOW, but it wasn't then.

Hmm, see I thought it was a big deal back then, too. The movie was in production hell for years and when it was finally announced the fan base (which is huge) went nuts and ate up every design, photo and trailer. Remember the debate over the Green Goblin helmet?

 

[Ranger REG]

All-Time USA Box Office

1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
3. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
4. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
5. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $423,032,628
7. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
8. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $380,262,555
9. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $377,019,252
10. Spider-Man 2 (2004) $373,377,893

Four hundred million dollars' worth of Americans would appear to disagree...

-Hyp.

I mean the project, not the final product. I'm very surprised the mainstream liked it.

 

[Klaus]

This is why Joss has said repeatedly that this was a hard script to write.

She's an iconic character, but her origin is not nearly as strong and easy to tell as Batman, Superman or Spiderman.

She also doesn't even really have an arch-nemesis.

I keep pointing to George Pérez relaunch of Wonder Woman, back in 1987.

- Wonder Woman was created by the goddesses of Olympus as a champion against the all-destroying ambition of Ares, God of War. She was sculpted from the clay of Paradise Island by Queen Hyppolita and infused with the soul of Hyppolita's unborn daughter.

- Wonder Woman's nemesis, Ares, has the potential to be a villain of Darth Vader proportions, with his dark armor and unseen face.

 

[mmu1]

I keep pointing to George Pérez relaunch of Wonder Woman, back in 1987.

- Wonder Woman was created by the goddesses of Olympus as a champion against the all-destroying ambition of Ares, God of War. She was sculpted from the clay of Paradise Island by Queen Hyppolita and infused with the soul of Hyppolita's unborn daughter.

- Wonder Woman's nemesis, Ares, has the potential to be a villain of Darth Vader proportions, with his dark armor and unseen face.

Hehe... It always cracks me up when Ares gets used as a serious villain. (This isn't a dig at anyone, it's just how I feel) The little shmuck is the ultimate loser of the Greek pantheon - going down to Earth to fight mortals because he's a nobody among the gods, constantly getting his ass kicked by anyone and everyone.

He's not even actually the god of war - just of the savagery of war, really, Athena being the real deal.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

I keep pointing to George Pérez relaunch of Wonder Woman, back in 1987.

I agree. Simple. Ares. 1987 stuff.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Of course you can, but it would be nice to know what you don't like about his work. Otherwise, just like a one word post about "things sucking" it's just blather that doesn't really contribute to the thread at all. I expect that at AICN, but not here.

But that's just me.

I didn't even use the word sucked. I just stated that this was a good thing if you want to make a good movie. I should have added that I didn't want to sit through 2 hours of his forced dialog but didn't think the thread was about ripping on his writing. That's all, but I should have remembered the devotion of the Wheadon lovers. My mistake.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Hehe... It always cracks me up when Ares gets used as a serious villain. (This isn't a dig at anyone, it's just how I feel) The little shmuck is the ultimate loser of the Greek pantheon - going down to Earth to fight mortals because he's a nobody among the gods, constantly getting his ass kicked by anyone and everyone.

"Well, this day is looking up. I was just thinking to myself that I needed someone to punch."

-Hyp.

 

[John Crichton]

I didn't even use the word sucked. I just stated that this was a good thing if you want to make a good movie. I should have added that I didn't want to sit through 2 hours of his forced dialog but didn't think the thread was about ripping on his writing. That's all, but I should have remembered the devotion of the Wheadon lovers. My mistake.

Naw, this has nothing to do with Whedon. I prefer to have actual reasons to why people don't like something all the time. Uwe Boll I believe it the one exception. Then I want to know why they do like his stuff or are excited for one of his films.

 

[Klaus]

In the DC Comics lore (as established by Pérez in 1987), Ares was the God of Warfare, and his power thrived as mankind's violence grew. He worked through the hearts of warmongers, paranoids and hatemongers to eventually reach his apex during the Cold War. Had Wonder Woman not intervened (in her very first visit to Patriarch's World), he would've launched World War III, obliterating mankind, and eventually, himself (without worshippers, he'd crumble to dust).

Ares eventually charged Wonder Woman with changing mankind's ways, or else he'd be forced to carry his purpose. Yet he still hates Diana for decapitating his favorite son, Deimos.