Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Without a doubt, that was the intent. And I'm not saying it serves no purpose. I'm just saying there were more important things they could have spent that time on.
Possibly true. I haven't read the books, but by all indications, 8 episodes a season is darn short to try to cover the events. This setup may pay storytelling dividends later, though.
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Possibly true. I haven't read the books, but by all indications, 8 episodes a season is darn short to try to cover the events. This setup may pay storytelling dividends later, though.
They literally skip over most of the book. At least they have a whole series plan in place, to make it their own thing.
 

Bolares

Hero
I'm listenning to the book... Jordan sure does take his time to make anything happen :p.Baerlon was a good cut from the series, nothing really happened that could only happen there. The shad Rand encounter was pointless...
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
I'm listenning to the book... Jordan sure does take his time to make anything happen :p.Baerlon as a good cut from the series, nothing really happened that could only happen there. The shad Rand encounter was pointless...
He takes his time.

There are several important things that happen in Baerlon specifically: Rand's Channeling sickness, meeting Min Farshaw (who ends up being the #7 viewpoint character by word count in the series, the most of anyone other than the Villagers and Moraine), the initiation of a feud with the Borneholds.

The Shade scene is amazing just for the sense of atmosphere in the prose and the milk spit double take that Rand does. The encounters with dark forces in this book are a drip drip form of torture driving the characters to desperation and near insanity by the end. The show moves a bit too fast to get that across, it seems.

The main thing that Baerlon specifically provides over the course of the book is a sense of scale. It's about 50-60 miles from Edmond's Field, and is bout the extent of the distance the youths can even imagine geographically, but us just the start of this journey, which gets detailed out very carefully. No flash forwards here.
 

Bolares

Hero
He takes his time.

There are several important things that happen in Baerlon specifically: Rand's Channeling sickness, meeting Min Farshaw (who ends up being the #7 viewpoint character by word count in the series, the most of anyone other than the Villagers and Moraine), the initiation of a feud with the Borneholds.

The Shade scene is amazing just for the sense of atmosphere in the prose and the milk spit double take that Rand does. The encounters with dark forces in this book are a drip drip form of torture driving the characters to desperation and near insanity by the end. The show moves a bit too fast to get that across, it seems.

The main thing that Baerlon specifically provides over the course of the book is a sense of scale. It's about 50-60 miles from Edmond's Field, and is bout the extent of the distance the youths can even imagine geographically, but us just the start of this journey, which gets detailed out very carefully. No flash forwards here.
I know a lot happens there. I said nothing really happened that could only happen there. :)

About the shade... I don't know, it made a shade feel really mundane to me. I was under the impression a shade was a really dangerous being, but nothing really happens to rand (besides him being terrified) when a shade gets that close to him.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I know a lot happens there. I said nothing really happened that could only happen there. :)

About the shade... I don't know, it made a shade feel really mundane to me. I was under the impression a shade was a really dangerous being, but nothing really happens to rand (besides him being terrified) when a shade gets that close to him.
Fair point: I think the showrunners are perfectly right to condense, combine and streamline the story for screen. As written, it is unfilmable, due to it's literary density.

For Jordan, the little details like the personalities of village innkeepers and the set up of different taverns is almost as important as the entire story. Not conducive to the pacing, but rich for worldbuilding.

Shades are nasty, but not impossible to handle. They suffer pretty quickly from power inflation on the part of the protagonists.
 

Bolares

Hero
Fair point: I think the showrunners are perfectly right to condense, combine and streamline the story for screen. As written, it is unfilmable, due to it's literary density.

For Jordan, the little details like the personalities of village innkeepers and the set up of different taverns is almost as important as the entire story. Not conducive to the pacing, but rich for worldbuilding.

Shades are nasty, but not impossible to handle. They suffer pretty quickly from power inflation on the part of the protagonists.
I was mostly joking about Jordan. He is kind of a slow burn, but I find his writing pleasant to read, when I'm not in a hurry. The shade scene, I'd be ok with if the shade had an obstacle between it and rand for that whole time. I can't see a reason why the shade didn't just take rand out of there immediately.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I was mostly joking about Jordan. He is kind of a slow burn, but I find his writing pleasant to read, when I'm not in a hurry. The shade scene, I'd be ok with if the shade had an obstacle between it and rand for that whole time. I can't see a reason why the shade didn't just take rand out of there immediately.
When push comes to shove, it's a coward, and wasn't about to be caught in a pincer maneuver in a hallway that could lead to it's death. And it is under orders to not take out the boys, and is there as a scout.
 


eyeheartawk

#1 Enworld Jerk™
Possibly true. I haven't read the books, but by all indications, 8 episodes a season is darn short to try to cover the events. This setup may pay storytelling dividends later, though.
I hope so too, though I'm cautious. The next season of eight episodes will combine events from books 2 and 3, instead of one book. And those two are some of the easier books to plan a show on. As the book series goes on, the climax of the books stops seeing all the characters at the same place and time.
 

Well, while I haven't gotten to see the show, my step-brother gave me this advice. If you are a fan of the books, don't expect a faithful telling.

Think of it more as a re-boot and go from there. Judge it on it's own and not against the book, the ahow's runners said it's more of a guideline.

So, there you go. If something doesn't quite line-up, it's probably meant to be that way. Also, I would expect large parts to just be skipped: Loial, The War as a whole(back drop), The Mannetherin Rising, etc. Only because a 22 year program is unfeasible. lol
 

Well, while I haven't gotten to see the show, my step-brother gave me this advice. If you are a fan of the books, don't expect a faithful telling.

Think of it more as a re-boot and go from there. Judge it on it's own and not against the book, the ahow's runners said it's more of a guideline.

So, there you go. If something doesn't quite line-up, it's probably meant to be that way. Also, I would expect large parts to just be skipped: Loial, The War as a whole(back drop), The Mannetherin Rising, etc. Only because a 22 year program is unfeasible. lol
I enjoyed it well enough as someone who hadn't read the books. But that involved me giving it a lot of benefit of the doubt that the reasons for the weaker aspects had to do with the necessities of editing it down or flaws with the source material. As a work of cheesy television fantasy its fine.

My feelings now as someone who just read the first book is that as a "reboot" it's a pretty mediocre one. Changing things was necessary, sure. The original work was not some perfect, unimpeachable masterpiece, sure. But every change they made caused something else in this intricately thought out fantasy world to unravel, and whatever consortium of overworked, on-a-deadline television writers were in charge of the adapting collectively just allowed this to leave lots of plot-holes, world-building inconsistencies, and frustratingly annoying character traits. They had lots of solid ideas for ways to simplify, streamline, or bring in line with contemporary tastes, but they also had poor, messy execution of those ideas. As they veer further from the source material later in the season it works a little bit better on its own terms, but has more inconsistencies, has more frustrating characters, and fills in a lot of gaps with generic, budget television fantasy cliché. If you have read and actually remember book 1 of the series I think it's a dissatisfying show to watch, even trying to appreciate it on its own terms. If you have investment in the series it lets you down.

There are also lots of things that happen just because the show doesn't trust its audience to pay very close attention, be very patient, or understand things that are not made incredibly obvious, making it just not the type of show that fits well for someone who has the sort of patience, recall, and passion for the genre the books seem to require. So whether or not someone has actually read the books, if you are the type of person who would actually enjoy a fantasy series with literal thousands of named characters the show isn't really optimized for your enjoyment.
 


TheSword

Legend
It’s very much season 7 of Game of Thrones in my opinion. Liked for nostalgia, likeable actors and for novelty factor. But slightly disappointing with some pretty stupendous plot holes, and a lot of unnecessary changes.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
It’s very much season 7 of Game of Thrones in my opinion. Liked for nostalgia, likeable actors and for novelty factor. But slightly disappointing with some pretty stupendous plot holes, and a lot of unnecessary changes.
Which, to be honest, is better than I ever expected from a Wheel of time adaptation. Going over the books again, they really are unfilmable, from a practical point of view.
 

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