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Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)


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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Some interesting general info:

Amazon has an interesting approach to measure the success of their (myriad) TV shows.

The metric is called “cost per first stream“.

Reuters revealed the detail behind its meaning and implementation. In short, the cost per first stream is the price (cost) to “hook” a customer on Prime (which requires a paid yearly membership to access).

Per the article, “Amazon divides a show’s production and marketing expenses by the number of people who stream that program first after signing up.” The lower the number, the better the rating — and the better the likelihood the who would get renewed for another season.

 


Zardnaar

Legend
Corn fritters, egg, avocado salad.

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Very different cheese roll. Still nice. Some sort of dark bread.

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And my view having brunch.

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MarkB

Legend
It comes with Prime memberships for free, though, so it may be less important than you think. A whole lot of people buy prime memberships for the free shipping.
Yeah, Amazon's in the weird position of gaining a big potential audience almost incidentally. For that matter, the show started in the run-up to Christmas, when presumably they'd be getting a spike in subscribers anyway purely for Christmas shopping, so they've no really reliable way of tracking how many people signed up because of WoT versus for other reasons.

For Amazon I'd expect Audience Appreciation figures to be the big metric for whether a show is good for them. That does a better job of telling them whether a show is going to retain subscribers for them.
 

I trust critics more than "user scores" as poisoned as they are by bot entries and bombers.
I trust EN World's Geek Media forum more than critics or user scores. The inmates residents here are much more likely to be a good judge of what I want to see.
Bought it for the free shipping. Stayed for the videos.
Same. The occasional good show -- and with Expanse, WoT, etc they've been more than just occasional -- is a bonus.
 

eyeheartawk

Works 60% of the time, every time
Been busy over holiday break so catching up on this thread now.

I found the end of episode 8 to be clunky and kind of confusing, which, if you've read the books is to be expected as the end of the book is also clunky and kind of confusing concerning what happens at the Eye of the World.

I thought the Seanchan looked cool.

I have high hopes Season 2, since that's when things really start happening. And we'll see things like (hopefully) Rand becoming an actual interesting character, as without an internal monologue, he doesn't have much going on in the show right now.

I also hope they sort of get Mat on track and make him more like the book version, who is fun and interesting, as opposed to the show version, even before he got the dagger.
 


Been busy over holiday break so catching up on this thread now.

I found the end of episode 8 to be clunky and kind of confusing, which, if you've read the books is to be expected as the end of the book is also clunky and kind of confusing concerning what happens at the Eye of the World.

I thought the Seanchan looked cool.

I have high hopes Season 2, since that's when things really start happening. And we'll see things like (hopefully) Rand becoming an actual interesting character, as without an internal monologue, he doesn't have much going on in the show right now.

I also hope they sort of get Mat on track and make him more like the book version, who is fun and interesting, as opposed to the show version, even before he got the dagger.
Everyone forgets, that, other than the few chapters before Shadar Logoth, book Mat was a paranoid jerk before he got fully healed in Book 3.
 


Bolares

Hero
Of all the things to stay faithful to from the books, keeping one of your main cast unlikeable for two seasons doesn't seem like the best choice.
I'd bet he would get a lot better after being partially cured by moiraine... It just coincided with the actor leaving the production.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Nyneave accomplishes more in the cosmic or metaphysical realm, Egwene accomplishes ridiculous political and military feats that feel like definitive Ta'veren shenanigans.
Egwene bends people to her will when they want not to be bent. Her ascension, capture, and asserting of command, in the latter books, is at least on par with Perrin.
 



Of all the things to stay faithful to from the books, keeping one of your main cast unlikeable for two seasons doesn't seem like the best choice.
They need to make a better effort at showing that he is cursed/sick or whatever is that is actually going on. Because if you know he's dealing with some kind of influence (and maybe trying to resist even) it means there is something to root for.

I thought the scenes in the Two Rivers with him and his siblings made him pretty likeable, but he stopped that very quickly..

I am not a book reader, so I don't know how well my ideas would fit the original story. But I strongly suspect there would be some ways to portray him more likeable while he's still more grim, dur and and contrarian...
 

eyeheartawk

Works 60% of the time, every time
I am not a book reader, so I don't know how well my ideas would fit the original story. But I strongly suspect there would be some ways to portray him more likeable while he's still more grim, dur and and contrarian...
There is. It was done in the books. My concern is that if he isn't a likeable character he doesn't have anything interesting happen to his character plot wise until the very end of the second book (that's incidental, really). He really only becomes plot relevant after a certain event happens in book 4. So that's a long way to stick with a character if he isn't interesting or fun to just watch hang around.
 

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