Wheel of Time Discussion - Spoilers(with book spoilers)

[MarkB]

As someone who hasn't read the books, while the bereaved Warder's ultimate fate seemed obvious (when he melted down the ring I was expecting him to just head straight on off the balcony), his arc did serve to illustrate the strong sense of family within the Warders. We also saw two different funeral rites from the same organisation, which was some good worldbuilding.

It did feel like there were some missing scenes in the episode. Jumping straight from Nynaeve tiptoeing around the Tower to her having been found by an ogre and brought back to Rand and Mat's hotel room was a bit jarring.

 

[Bolares]

So, I was reading the first pages, and I think my take on Perrin's wife would be interesting, as someone that never read the books. (This is all IMHO obviously) The series did a good job to show Perrin and his wife having a loving relationship, and him being an overall straight up nice guy. Me and my wife are watching this together, and she audibly gasped when perrin killed his wife. I think it was well done and had effects in the later episodes, with Perrin discussing the uses of violence and self-defense with the leaf people, his sadness, and asking to die in Egwene's place with the white cloaks. I have no idea how this was done in the book, but right now (episode 5) Perrin is the character we care about the most of the 5.

 

[Maxperson]

It did feel like there were some missing scenes in the episode. Jumping straight from Nynaeve tiptoeing around the Tower to her having been found by an ogre and brought back to Rand and Mat's hotel room was a bit jarring.

Yeah. It felt like that may have been a scene that didn't make the cut for some reason. When they came walking in together, I was like, "How the hell did he find her?"

 

[Parmandur]

So, I was reading the first pages, and I think my take on Perrin's wife would be interesting, as someone that never read the books. (This is all IMHO obviously) The series did a good job to show Perrin and his wife having a loving relationship, and him being an overall straight up nice guy. Me and my wife are watching this together, and she audibly gasped when perrin killed his wife. I think it was well done and had effects in the later episodes, with Perrin discussing the uses of violence and self-defense with the leaf people, his sadness, and asking to die in Egwene's place with the white cloaks. I have no idea how this was done in the book, but right now (episode 5) Perrin is the character we care about the most of the 5.

In the book, establishing Perrin as a likeable and extremely thoughtful guy is done through the revalution of his interior life through intimate third person limited narration. One of the main reasons I view this change with some leariness is that is replacing what was in yhebook very good writing and subtle characterization by inventing awife and having her die.

Book Perrin got the same energy without any fridging, which in hindsight was pretty impressive.

 

[Parmandur]

So, I was reading the first pages, and I think my take on Perrin's wife would be interesting, as someone that never read the books. (This is all IMHO obviously) The series did a good job to show Perrin and his wife having a loving relationship, and him being an overall straight up nice guy. Me and my wife are watching this together, and she audibly gasped when perrin killed his wife. I think it was well done and had effects in the later episodes, with Perrin discussing the uses of violence and self-defense with the leaf people, his sadness, and asking to die in Egwene's place with the white cloaks. I have no idea how this was done in the book, but right now (episode 5) Perrin is the character we care about the most of the 5.

That being said, I do have to give it to the show writers that the tensions in Perrin's personality introduced by this change match up well with the tensions in the latter books, though this changes the tenor of his eventual epic love story in super odd ways.

 

[Bolares]

In the book, establishing Perrin as a likeable and extremely thoughtful guy is done through the revalution of his interior life through intimate third person limited narration. One of the main reasons I view this change with some leariness is that is replacing what was in yhebook very good writing and subtle characterization by inventing awife and having her die.

Book Perrin got the same energy without any fridging, which in hindsight was pretty impressive.

I get you, I just don't know how they could have translated that in to the series. They needed to make him a character faster. A book has time to do it subtly, but an 8 episode series with 5 main protagonists (I assume they are all protagonists)? It probably could have been done better, but in my unique (at least in this forum) perspective, I think they got the job done of making him a multidimensional caring character, and I'm invested in him.

 

[Bolares]

though this changes the tenor of his eventual epic love story in super odd ways.

Didn't know he is supposed to have a love story latter, that's cool. Hope they can give him an arch with enough healing and self forgiveness that he can be a part of an epic love story.

 

[Bolares]

In the books he was absolutely prophesized to be male. I don't mind if in the show she doesn't know if the Dragon will be male or female, so long as it ultimately ends up being Rand. If any of the others ends up being the Dragon, I'm done with the show.

Well, Rand has "protagonist vibes" from the start. But I wasn't certain of it until reading this thread. I think they are doing something interesting by making it seem it will be Nyneave in the show for now. For us non book readers, it keeps us guessing.

 

[Parmandur]

Didn't know he is supposed to have a love story latter, that's cool. Hope they can give him an arch with enough healing and self forgiveness that he can be a part of an epic love story.

Qell, not to get into too much detail, but self loathing and self doubt are his constant struggles in the book, being repulsed by violence and authority but constantly forced into positions of needing commit violence and lead others, all of which is a barrier for his relationship with his future love: so, totally, the feelings this introduces fit, but...weirdly. Thinking on it, the showrunners pita lot of work into how this fits into his overall arc.

 

[Bolares]

being repulsed by violence and authority but constantly forced into positions of needing commit violence and lead others

oooh, that's my kind of character! Hope they keep doing him justice. I really liked his talks with the tinkers, and how even being traumatized by violence, he can't wrap his head around not using it when needed.