When Is It Time To Quit?

Tyris Harmon said:
I would love to hear this story. Never, in my 20+ years of gaming, have I heard or seen anything like this happening.

nor had i in the 20+ years i had gamed up to that point.

as i noted it was a new group i had never met. i found them on a message board looking for players. it was tur..3ed. i emailed the DM back and forth for a week to find out about the campaign, talk about my character concept, etc...

it was on a friday night after his kids were in bed. so it was a late game. his wife was having a girl's night out. anyway, he had two regulars from an old campaign plus me plus another new player; a young woman in her early 20's. (i guess i don't have to say i was the old fart in the group. i had dice older than she was.) the young lady brought her boyfriend. she said he didn't want to play just watch. the guy was creepy. dressed ala goth. couple hours into the session he left to use the bathroom. when he came back he picked up a note from his girlfriend stepped away from the table and kind of hovered around. i tried not to take my eyes off him b/c he was weirding me out. something happened in game that distracted me. when i looked up from the battlemat. he is leaning over the DM with his fangs exposed. he tried to bite the DM. there was a tussle and the couple was ejected. i never went back. the whole scene just made me have second thoughts about trying internet groups again. i did try other internet groups, but not right away.

i know it wasn't the DM's fault, but i also knew i'd never be able to get the same sense of fun from the campaign. too many real life images would invade my game conscience at that table.
 

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diaglo said:
nor had i in the 20+ years i had gamed up to that point.

as i noted it was a new group i had never met. i found them on a message board looking for players. it was tur..3ed. i emailed the DM back and forth for a week to find out about the campaign, talk about my character concept, etc...

it was on a friday night after his kids were in bed. so it was a late game. his wife was having a girl's night out. anyway, he had two regulars from an old campaign plus me plus another new player; a young woman in her early 20's. (i guess i don't have to say i was the old fart in the group. i had dice older than she was.) the young lady brought her boyfriend. she said he didn't want to play just watch. the guy was creepy. dressed ala goth. couple hours into the session he left to use the bathroom. when he came back he picked up a note from his girlfriend stepped away from the table and kind of hovered around. i tried not to take my eyes off him b/c he was weirding me out. something happened in game that distracted me. when i looked up from the battlemat. he is leaning over the DM with his fangs exposed. he tried to bite the DM. there was a tussle and the couple was ejected. i never went back. the whole scene just made me have second thoughts about trying internet groups again. i did try other internet groups, but not right away.

i know it wasn't the DM's fault, but i also knew i'd never be able to get the same sense of fun from the campaign. too many real life images would invade my game conscience at that table.

ROFL!

Hilarious! Tragic, but hilarious. Did you see what she wrote on the note?
 

dreaded_beast said:
Has anyone ever felt the same, where they game with people that they would not otherwise associate with (the intent is not to sound elitest or stuck up), only because they love DnD that much?
Never. EVER.

In any case, if you end up looking forward to the next session, even after leaving with negative feelings, I think it would be in your best interest to "work it out".

Based on a bit of my armchair psychology on a D&D internet messageboard (in other words, take this with a huge grain of salt ;)), I think your communication problem might follow you to other groups (though, with no information on the other members, maybe it's all them and not you, *shrug*)... I think it might do you well to discuss - even if you don't like "being upfront with your problems". Whether we like it or not, gaming is a social activity. Of course, if you really don't like the people and are there only because you like D&D, then run! Run away! It's not worth it!

Just my crank-internet-opinion based on virtually no information... :)
 

dreaded_beast, do I know you? :)

Actually, the subject of your post sounds EXTREMELY familiar to me. Almost dead-on, in fact. I'm considering moving on from my current gaming group due to very similar issues (add into this irregular attendance by a couple of the group members, as well as personal issues that disrupt gameplay/attendance/membership, & I'd say that it's REALLY dead-on).

It's not just them--honestly, work has often left me "burnt out," & I really don't have time to prep for running games like I used to. But another thing that does affect my efforts is the general lack of attention & enthusiasm by the players--why invest so much time & effort into a game that no one really interacts with or has an interest in? I know that one of the players (my girlfriend) pretty much loses interest in the game (and the prospect of gaming in general) due to the lack of focus & interest from the other players.
(However, as a side note, she really doesn't like having to schedule her free time--something that's not really feasible when trying to get together & do stuff with other people who have their own lives to deal with--but that's another issue entirely.)

The only gaming I've had within quite a few weeks (if not a few months) has been playing D&D-style console games, or CRPGs. It's entertaining, but honestly, it leaves something to be desired. I used to play an PBeM Marvel SAGA game, but the relatively slow pace (compared to a tabletop game) hindered my enthusiasm and interest in the game.

I've quit gaming before (when I really needed to focus on schoolwork), but I always want to start gaming again. I enjoy it a lot, & I want to keep playing as long as I can. It's a hobby that I'm very interested in maintaining, although it's had to go on the back burner when real life issues came to the forefront.

To tell you the truth, it's a very difficult decision to make--I've known a few of these people since high school. In some cases, some of my old gaming group moved away, dealing with their own lives. In other cases, some issue has come between people, causing a pretty bad break (not just different opinions that lead to a split, but really big friendship/relationship issues that caused a split).

Ultimately, if you really think that it's time to move on, then you should. Don't hope for people to change--they may be hoping that you change to fit their ideal, just as much as you may be hoping that they change to fit your ideal. Just accept them for who they are, and if you don't feel comfortable gaming with them, politely let them know how and why you feel that way, and just look elsewhere. It may take you a good amount of time to find just the right group, but eventually, you will (I know I'm still searching--maybe I'll meet them soon, hopefully).

As for your second question (the love of gaming vs. the company you keep): to be honest, it has been an issue with me. I know that, though I generally liked some people, I decided not to game with them because it simply wasn't the kind of game I'd want to play. One group who's invited me (not anyone here, BTW--another group with some members that I've known since high school) doesn't old my interest, either: the game style favored by most of them doesn't match up with mine (more high-power, free-form, & customized games, striving for a uber-heroic feel). Also, one of the members of that group was formerly a member of my current group who left after a personal dispute with some other members--BTW, that person's unusually high dice roll averages are quite suspect, to say the least.

I hate to sound shallow & crass, but as I grow older (I'll hit the big 3-0 by the end of '04), I find that I want to associate with better quality people--relatively educated, relatively clean-living, respectful of other's wishes & opinions, and at the least, direct & open about their issues. Believe me, I know I need to improve myself, but then again, to a certain degree, it is about the company you keep.

On a side note, someone here was very kind enough to respond to my post about finding gamers in my spot of the U.S. (see my .sig), but unfortunately work & moving into a new house has completely hampered my ability to effectively stay in contact with people. I feel like I ruined my chance with this new group because of it. If that person just so happens to read this post, I'd like to apologize for failing to keep in contact--I wouldn't blame the person (or the group) if said invitation was revoked.

Well, that's my 2 bits on the matter.
 

AeroDm said:
However, the guys I game with are my good friends. The gaming basically sucks, but I have a great time getting together, eating food, drinking soda, chatting away, and so on.

Why not do just that? Drop the gaming and just get together, eat food, drink soda, chat, and so on. ;-)

But I have a similar situation: The DM doesn't make a terribly good job (but honestly, he gets better), but the character's so fun, and the others as well. Actually, I have fun despite the DM's little faults (I call that "character-focused game").
 

dreaded_beast said:
I hope it doesn't seem as if I am solely placing blame on my group for not having the amount of fun that I desire or lack thereof. I realize that I too can be the cause of my unhappiness within the group, stemming from my own personal views and differences. I guess it is my own inability to be upfront with my problems with others for fear of backlash that has caused me to feel this way.

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Plus, I spent alot of time building up my 19th level cleric. That would be alot of Sunday afternoons that would go down the drain. :)

Well, you should indeed try to work it out. But your views are your views, and it should not cause unhappiness. Only stubborn, bitching people who don't like to are "talked back to" about their faults do that.

And compare the time you waste (to get that clr 19) by quitting with that you waste by staying. Do the math, if your future time is more important....
 

I don't think you can ever quit playing because you'll always want to play. When I don't play RPGs, I start thinking about playing them in my head.

It's always good to take a break though and enjoy other things in life though.
 

I second the break idea. It's worth just saying 'Life is busy right now, so I'm going to take a month or two off, guys.'

And get some time away. Maybe you'll look forward to it again... maybe you'll think of things with a little more distance and perspective.

And then, if you want, you come back and either say something new, or keep doing what you're doing with a new mindset.

Or, if it turns out you can't bear the idea of returning... you don't.
 



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