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RainOfSteel

Explorer
Next came a phone call between games with him telling me there had to be some way to tell if the guy was a Wizard. I told him I'd think about it. He then started suggesting ways to use spellcraft rolls (which was what I had in mind) and when I told him I just needed to think about, he started telling me how if he were the DM he would find a way for someone to fulfill their character's backstory. This was followed by some serious whining.
<high-pitched nasal twang>The world just has to work the way I want it and anyone who says anything else is bad!</high-pitched nasal twang>

How I hate that attitude.


I once had player tell me I was doing it wrong […] He didn't come back to the next session.
Good riddance.


Afterwards, he whined for a solid few minutes that I was out to kill his character […] Needless to say, he isn't playing with us anymore.
A denial of reality type. Also good riddance.
 



Oryan77

Adventurer
Papillon is French for butterfly, and the name of Holger Carlsen's warhorse in Three Hearts and Three Lions.

If Holger Carlsen's warhorse was named Butterfly (in English), I'd think it was a lame name. If I was French and accustomed to hearing the word Papillon, then I'd probably think it was lame. But I don't speak French and Papillon sounds as common of a name to me as any other "fantasy" name.

I already said that I told the player she could use the french word for marshmallow. So it's no different in this case either. If using a word from another language will get yer socks off, as long as I am not reminded by the lame meaning by hearing the English version, I'm ok with that. I would find it petty, and as a player myself, I wouldn't be that petty over such a stupid thing.

I'm not really sure why people are trying to prove a point or get one over on me here (just like the player did by tricking me with the French word). I've already stated that I'm a crappy DM. What else do you want from me? :D
 

Gentlegamer

First Post
If Holger Carlsen's warhorse was named Butterfly (in English), I'd think it was a lame name. If I was French and accustomed to hearing the word Papillon, then I'd probably think it was lame. But I don't speak French and Papillon sounds as common of a name to me as any other "fantasy" name.
For language, I don't go by sounds. "Papillon" actually doesn't mean "butterfly," for instance, they both indicate the pretty winged insect that transforms from a caterpiller. Or to put it another way, when we see "ship" and "navis" one doesn't mean the other, they both should conjure in our mind the image of a dark shape with sails perhaps, moving across the water. That's the key to languages (I learned this from C. S. Lewis). ;) Do you also think Fonkin Hoddypeak is a lame name?
I'm not really sure why people are trying to prove a point or get one over on me here (just like the player did by tricking me with the French word). I've already stated that I'm a crappy DM. What else do you want from me? :D
Because: why so serious? :p

Also:
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Tequila Sunrise

Adventurer
I'm not really sure why people are trying to prove a point or get one over on me here (just like the player did by tricking me with the French word). I've already stated that I'm a crappy DM. What else do you want from me? :D
I wasn't going to say anything, but since so many people are ribbing you over the Marshmallow thing, I totally sympathize with your opinions on the issue.

I think if one of mine ever wanted to name their pet something silly like that, I'd warn them beforehand and then treat the pet like a pop-up clown. Hm, how many absurdly-named familiars can I kill in one campaign? ;)
 




There's always some guy sitting in my seat...oh nevermind.

I'm fortunate to have groups cool enough to play. The personality has to be the hardest part of a social game like this. Though I am accepting the situations with eyes wide open.
 

nedjer

Adventurer
Of course not. I have a lot of friends who are Hoddypeaks.




You'll need to work out a deal with my wife for that. About 4 years ago I uttered the words, "I do." I didn't really understand what that meant until now.

That's OK, so long as you didn't sign in blood . . . oh, you signed in blood :heh:
 

Jon_Dahl

First Post
I belong to a roleplaying club, ran by local university students. I'm not a student myself, so I'm a bit outsider.

There are two guys that are mainly in charge of everything and one of them really works hard to manage the club and has all the controls in his hands, he even has the key to the clubhouse (a really nice place I must say!).

What I find curious is that he's an epic whiner. For instance I've ran my D&D 3.5 campaign for over 30 sessions and with my 4-5 player group and everything goes smoothly, really smoothly. People might comment something in good spirit and then we get over it, no matter what I say as DM. And of course I highly respect this and do my best to keep the group happy.

However once I allowed the "club manager" to join my game, and he complained massively and heavily, really bumming me out. After all those nice sessions I finally had a player who was mostly interested in questioning the DM and trying to slow down the game as much as possible. After the game he tried to gain a revenge at me and made bad comments about my gaming style when we had a clubmeeting. But after he was gone from my campaign, we had really nice games again and everyone seemed happy.

What really confuses me is that how can someone put in so much effort for the hobby off-game and still be such a whiner in-game?
 

S'mon

Legend
I'm not really sure why people are trying to prove a point or get one over on me here (just like the player did by tricking me with the French word). I've already stated that I'm a crappy DM. What else do you want from me? :D

Yeah, to chime in with the chorus I really think you're overstepping your DM authority in declaring what names a PC can call their horse, familiar etc. Oddly enough you're on firmer ground in banning silly birth-names for PCs, since the PC was named by an NPC! But if a PC wants to call himself "Mortis Deathlord" (as happened IMC), well that's the player's right.
 

S'mon

Legend
What really confuses me is that how can someone put in so much effort for the hobby off-game and still be such a whiner in-game?

Why not? EG: some people like being in control, they are great when they're in the boss role, but react badly when not in control - eg when playing rather than DMing. So they may be great at organising the club, but terrible at questioning the DM's authority. I see that a lot from people who like to DM, including myself. At work I'm a lecturer, I'm used to being in charge of the roomful of students. As a player in an RPG I have to work hard at deferring to the DM, not arguing with other players, etc - and I don't always succeed.
 

JamesonCourage

Adventurer
Yeah, to chime in with the chorus I really think you're overstepping your DM authority in declaring what names a PC can call their horse, familiar etc. Oddly enough you're on firmer ground in banning silly birth-names for PCs, since the PC was named by an NPC! But if a PC wants to call himself "Mortis Deathlord" (as happened IMC), well that's the player's right.

I really think that has to do with the social contract of the individual group. My group prefers to feel as immersed as possible, so if there is some objection to a name because it will break immersion for one or more other players, we find it only respectful to change the name. This basically means no meta names (no characters named after other fictional characters, no naming your raven "Nevermoore", etc.).

If you want to name your horse a silly name in-game that isn't based on meta reasoning, there's might be an objection voiced, but not near the pressure to stop the name being used.

If I were to move to a different group, I wouldn't feel entitled to this social expectation, though I'd prefer it. Thus, my opinion that it differs from group to group, and that it's not necessarily "overstepping your DM authority" to keep the social contract intact at your table.

As always, play what you like :)
 


SnowleopardVK

First Post
I've personally had a half-orc barbarian who named her greataxe Kitty. The DM allowed it, but only on the condition that I agreed that the barbarian named it while she was drunk.

And Kitty was a bringer of destruction, name or no name... :devil:
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
I've personally had a half-orc barbarian who named her greataxe Kitty. The DM allowed it, but only on the condition that I agreed that the barbarian named it while she was drunk.

And Kitty was a bringer of destruction, name or no name... :devil:

When this drunken barbarian killed a bunch of aquatic beings, was it called the Kitty Mer Massacre?
 

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