Whirling Frenzy from UA: Is it balanced?

[Thanee]

The extra attack requires a full attack action and does, therefore, not normally work with skirmish.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thurbane]

The extra attack requires a full attack action and does, therefore, not normally work with skirmish.

Bye
Thanee

Note that while basic common sense, the actual wording of Frenzy (as above) does NOT stipulate that you need to take a full attack action to gain the extra attack...

 

[Baby Samurai]

The extra attack requires a full attack action and does, therefore, not normally work with skirmish.

And now barbarians can take that substitution level (pounce) from CC…

 

[Nifft]

Too strong IMHO. Extra attacks are solid gold.

Cheers, -- N

 

[brehobit]

I had a PC with this, and the general feeling is that it was too powerful, especially at lower levels (where the extra attack _really_ helps.) The shorter duration can hurt badly, but generally doesn't. Above 6th level it is somewhat less powerful as you are hurting your other attacks too. *

I'd certainly not allow the extra attack with anything other than a full attack option. That would be way too much.

My house rule, if I allowed this at all, would be that all attacks in the full-round action must go against different targets. That would work out quite nicely and fit my idea of what the frenzy is. And with cleave could be pretty scary really (I'd let cleave attacks be unrestricted probably).


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*Say you need an 11 to hit normally (including raging) and you have a +6 BAB. You have a choice of needing 11, 16 or 13, 13, 18. In the first case you average .75 hits. In the second you get .95 hits. It's better, but not hugely. (If you only need a 2 to hit, then it is MUCH better).

 

[Thanee]

Note that while basic common sense, the actual wording of Frenzy (as above) does NOT stipulate that you need to take a full attack action to gain the extra attack...

While this is correct, it is also irrelevant, since it doesn't have to. There's a general rule about multiple attacks in the PHB already.

If you get more than one attack per round because your base attack bonus is high enough, because you fight with two weapons or a double weapon or for some special reason you must use a full-round action to get your additional attacks.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

And now barbarians can take that substitution level (pounce) from CC…

I would say that qualifies for unnormally.

...whatever CC is...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Nifft]

...whatever CC is...

Complete Champion is my guess.

-- N

 

[Darklone]

Note that while basic common sense, the actual wording of Frenzy (as above) does NOT stipulate that you need to take a full attack action to gain the extra attack...

Not the feat itself, but the relevant combat section about several attacks per round says pretty clearly that you only get them during full attack actions, e.g. no moving and additional attack.

Bbn2/scouts are bad enough without Whirling Frenzy.

Edit: Darn, see Thanees post above.

 

[Drowbane]

No, probably not. That extra attack is *huge*... and as far as I can tell it stacks with Haste.

Is whirling frenzy "fun"? Hell yea!