D&D General Who is this made for (Not Beginners) - the New D&D Starter Set

[definiteFreakyFishGuy]

I just watched Bob World Builder's video:
It looks like a really good starter for beginners. I probably won't get it because I'm an experienced player.

I get that $50 bucks is probably a good value for all that's in the box, but I also wonder if the cost could've been brought down by removing some of the fidgety elements...

 

[Gradine]

This is a thread that has gotten absolutely nowhere in a hurry, and definitely wasn't going to get anywhere in the first place. I feel like when the following thing happens:
(1): OP posts information that is factually incorrect about product
(2): Many people point out their inaccuracy
(3): OP accuses said people of being WotC stans who will mindlessly glaze anything they create

That feels like that should be the ending point of the thread, right? Where is there anywhere productive to go from there?

 

[definiteFreakyFishGuy]

This is a thread that has gotten absolutely nowhere in a hurry, and definitely wasn't going to get anywhere in the first place. I feel like when the following thing happens:
(1): OP posts information that is factually incorrect about product
(2): Many people point out their inaccuracy
(3): OP accuses said people of being WotC stans who will mindlessly glaze anything they create

That feels like that should be the ending point of the thread, right? Where is there anywhere productive to go from there?

I think we can talk about the ways in which the starter set can be improved. A number of folks mentioned that this isn't "perfect," but I don't think they necessarily shared what they think could be better (sorry if I missed it).

For me, the $50 price tag seems a bit high, and would be interested in ways to construct a cheaper custom starter pack based this one.

 

[BruceWright]

Haven't said anything about AI. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

You are of course free to place any value (or lack thereof) on my opinions. I do wonder if you folks would be fighting me this hard, or at all, if I was positive in my opinion with the exact same lack of personal experience with the product? Why are negative opinions held to a higher standard? Where's the logic in that?

I will say you interact in a way that I find frustrating to converse with. After a bit, I realize that I’m not sharing my experience as someone who owns, has read, and enjoys the product. I’m merely setting up targets for you to say is bad, will provide a bad experience for new players, will steer the tabletop hobby away from the kind of play you enjoy, etc.

Somehow this has gotten into a debate, and it's no longer a discussion or a sharing of points of view. It's too much effort.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Where is there anywhere productive to go from there?

Luckily, we have a few posters who will happily say everything from WotC is terrible and that everything from WotC is wonderful who can keep threads going for years all by themselves.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I think we can talk about the ways in which the starter set can be improved. A number of folks mentioned that this isn't "perfect," but I don't think they necessarily shared what they think could be better (sorry if I missed it).

For me, the $50 price tag seems a bit high, and would be interested in ways to construct a cheaper custom starter pack based this one.

I think we'd be better off doing that in a different thread, since new people coming to this thread are going to read the OP and go "whaaat?" and we'll be regurgitating the same posts forever.

 

[definiteFreakyFishGuy]

... (a lot of folks have me blocked for some reason)...

After going through this thread and seeing the posts you made, I can see why. Like sure, you are free to post your opinion, but it feels like you are just dragging this thread to argue for argument's sake, seemingly without any interest in the main topic, which is the DND 2024 starter set.

I understand you hate WoTC. I don't love them either. But I find the DND 2024 starter set an interesting product.

 

[BruceWright]

As I said, a lot of people have said I was wrong, but almost NO ONE has actually addressed the issues that I pointed out.

I specifically pointed out point by point where the information you wanted walked you through, step by step in the "Read Me First" Quickstart guide, and specifically asked if you missed it. Instead you respond-- not to informational posts-- but by reacting to the tone of non-informational reactions.

I am trying to avoid for my group the frustration your group faced by specifically understanding your experience.

You get the reactions you get because that's the posts you've chosen to respond to, and you wave away specific questions like mine with phrases like 'I've already addressed that'.

So, yes, LOTS of blame on me and my players with no one actually addressing the elephants in the room. If they had, perhaps they'd start to see WHY my players had problems in the first place and why that may be a problem later.

I wish you would answer why your players had problems. Then I might be able to get something useful out of your experience. Did you not see the Character Board setup rules in the quickstart? Did you not understand the rules in the quickstart? Was the quickstart something you saw, but felt was poorly or confusingly presented?

I'm sorry if you've found this thread frustrating. I assure you, you're not alone.

 

[GreyLord]

You think most experienced players would make good use of all that cardboard? The tokens, character boards, etc? Or are you just talking about the adventure and maps?

Depends on what they want to use. Adventure and maps are absolutely something experienced players could make good use of. Experienced players may even like using the player boards and other items if they like things like the D&D adventure board games (Castle Ravenloft, etc).

There are several items that can enhance the play of the adventure included equipment cards, spell cards and other items. I think it may make some want to have spell cards or other things like that for higher levels or for magic items in general.

 

[Charlaquin]

I think the problem is that you can't let misinformation stand on the internet uncommented.

So if everyone ignores it, people who google search for the new starter ser might somehow find exactly this review...

i also, personally, don’t like that the ignore feature hides posts and leaves conversations lacking context. I prefer to ignore people the old-fashioned way by just… not talking to them.