Who's happy about MMV being MMIV again?

Razz said:
Well, according to this THREAD , it appears that Monster Manual V is going to be another Monster Manual IV.

Anyone happy with that? I really do not want another set of monsters from Monster Manual I modeled with stupid class combinations and names like "Goblin Cook" and "Drow Gigolo" to be 25-30% of the book.

I also hope they've learned to decrease the font size to squeeze in more monsters. It's sad to see the last 224-page Monster Manual have less creatures than the paperback Monsters of Faerun.

I'm sure those of you that like MMIV are going to be ecstatic about MMV, but I know those of you that hated MMIV are probably outraged at this display yet again... :mad:

I love the format of the MMIV and could care less about any outrage. Let them eat cake.
 

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Razz said:
Anyone happy with that? I really do not want another set of monsters from Monster Manual I modeled with stupid class combinations and names like "Goblin Cook" and "Drow Gigolo" to be 25-30% of the book.

You know, I have to go write up a Drow Gigolo now. ;)
 


Psion said:
You know, I have to go write up a Drow Gigolo now. ;)

A Drow gigolo, everywhere I go
Lolth knows the elves I'm slayin'

Paid for every kill, selling my sword-skill,
oooo, I'm just sayin'...

There will come a day, my youth will pass away
& the Matrons will sacrifice me

As my skin turns quite pale, they'll say just a puny male
Lolth goes on without me!
 

More seriously, I looked at the MM 4, and found no use to it whatsoever. It had a few interesting monsters (that one what eats magic and drops from the ceiling was one) but by and large I really didn't see enough use to buy it.

Then again, between MM1, MM2, Fiend Folio, and MM3 (I own two and can borrow the other two), I've got access to about 1500 more monsters than I'll ever need to use.
 

Henry said:
A Drow gigolo, everywhere I go
Lolth knows the elves I'm slayin'

Paid for every kill, selling my sword-skill,
oooo, I'm just sayin'...

There will come a day, my youth will pass away
& the Matrons will sacrifice me

As my skin turns quite pale, they'll say just a puny male
Lolth goes on without me!

:D

I think your miter would be closer if you started it "Drow elf gigolo..." ;)
 

If you don't like it vote with your wallet and don't buy it.

My wallet's voted no three times so far, and they still keep making them.

Honestly, I like the new statblock format, the knowledge check DCs, heck, even the sample adventure ideas are good, but the monsters themselves have been mostly lackluster, and the paragraphs of flavor text full of redundancies and space-fillers that should have been trimmed.

Regarding monsters with class levels...if it's a PHB class, then most DMs should be able to do this pretty easily, although I can still understand the idea of speeding things up. If it's a non-PHB class (Marshal? Ninja?) then there's a good chance that the gaming group either doesn't have access to the book, or the DM's disallowed it. If you're like me, and you're running another OGL d20 setting/variant rules set, then the whole write-up is worthless to you. I realize this is the exception to the rule, that WotC's core market are "kitchen sink" completists with access to all the goodies of all the books of 3.5, but it completely hedges out the fringes, who apparently don't make up enough of the consumer base to have their wallets' "No vote" matter in the slightest.

WotC's production schedule keeps rolling on, and when someone complains, we're told to just sit back and watch quality degrade. I love D&D. I love this hobby. And if all I am allowed to do to comment on it's quality is to boycott it, then how are things going to get better?

I don't want to start an argument, and I in no way intended to attack Psychic Warrior for his opinion, but I'm just exasperated at the whole issue and needed to vent...

Robert "Frustrated, Disappointed, and Confused Fanboy" Ranting
 

Robert Ranting said:
My wallet's voted no three times so far, and they still keep making them.

Honestly, I like the new statblock format, the knowledge check DCs, heck, even the sample adventure ideas are good, but the monsters themselves have been mostly lackluster, and the paragraphs of flavor text full of redundancies and space-fillers that should have been trimmed.

Regarding monsters with class levels...if it's a PHB class, then most DMs should be able to do this pretty easily, although I can still understand the idea of speeding things up. If it's a non-PHB class (Marshal? Ninja?) then there's a good chance that the gaming group either doesn't have access to the book, or the DM's disallowed it. If you're like me, and you're running another OGL d20 setting/variant rules set, then the whole write-up is worthless to you. I realize this is the exception to the rule, that WotC's core market are "kitchen sink" completists with access to all the goodies of all the books of 3.5, but it completely hedges out the fringes, who apparently don't make up enough of the consumer base to have their wallets' "No vote" matter in the slightest.

WotC's production schedule keeps rolling on, and when someone complains, we're told to just sit back and watch quality degrade. I love D&D. I love this hobby. And if all I am allowed to do to comment on it's quality is to boycott it, then how are things going to get better?

I don't want to start an argument, and I in no way intended to attack Psychic Warrior for his opinion, but I'm just exasperated at the whole issue and needed to vent...

Robert "Frustrated, Disappointed, and Confused Fanboy" Ranting

Never felt an attack in the lsightest. I really do mean what I said though. If WotC alienates its fans they will produce different material to get those fans back - it cannot be any other way.

I do have to wonder about the part I bolded here though. If you aren't playing D&D (ie a WotC product) why on earth would you expect a core book supplement from WotC to be of any use to you? That really baffles me.
 


Mystery Man said:
Let them eat cake.
It is kinda boggling that someone would be this short sighted. It would be so easy to give BOTH sides more rather than undercutting support for the stuff that you DO want by chasing off buyers with a different preference.
 

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