TSR Who's running the TSR3 social media accounts?

Ernie Gygax (before he and Stephen Dinehart accused the whole affair of being orchestrated by WotC and then deleted their Twitter accounts) indicated that Justin LaNasa was running the social media accounts for TSR3, Giantlands, and Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum.

After a full week of insults, barbed exchanges, and problematic statements from all three accounts, the following has been posted by somebody who identified themselves as "Michael", perhaps suggesting that Justin LaNasa is no longer with the company (which seems unlikely), leaving many on social media to question whether "Michael" exists. The new TSR3 was founded by LaNasa, Stephen Dinehart, and Ernie Gygax, and despite the acrinomious social media activity, the former two founders' names have largely escaped much of the criticism.

UPDATE -- the below tweets now appear to have been deleted.

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Around the same time, the header above the available events at the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum website was altered to read: "Most role playing games will be played in old school fashion so if you're easliy offended or Rude ! DO NOT PLAY !" (sic)

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So who is TSR3 co-founder Justin LaNasa? He was an American politician who ran for office in 2014 and 2020, and who was involved in a minor scandal during the latter campaign.

 

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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Civilized peoples do not pass judgements in the market place outside the law.

Oh, yes they do. Or, alternatively, if that it true, there has never been any human civilization at all.

Human civilizations include the law, but do not pretend, even for a moment, that the law is the sum total and comprehensive list of all judgements a civilization can, or should, make. That is not how it has worked in 10,000 years.
 

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BookTenTiger

He / Him
Again, you mistake the court of public opinion versus rule of law. Twitter keeps evidence and that is forwarded for investigation of those users whose targeted harassment of Ernie may cause him harm. If that harm happens, the authorities have those Tweets, not you.

Civilized peoples do not pass judgements in the market place outside the law.
What do you mean by "civilized people?"

In my opinion, civilized people stand up for those most vulnerable in their society. Right now in the context of this situation, the targeted population is LGBTQ+ gamers, not the company that has been refusing to acknowledge them.
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
Again, you mistake the court of public opinion versus rule of law. Twitter keeps evidence and that is forwarded for investigation of those users whose targeted harassment of Ernie may cause him harm. If that harm happens, the authorities have those Tweets, not you.

Civilized peoples do not pass judgements in the market place outside the law.
IME civilized people PRIMARILY pass judgements in the market place, and resort to the legal system only when they feel they have no other recourse. The legal system is a weighty implement. Criticism, social shunning, boycotting, and similar responses are able to work without the intervention of authoritarian force.
 
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imagineGod

Legend
Anti-inclusive content
Bologna.

In any discussion in which one person makes a claim it falls to that person to provide evidence of their claim.

Russell's Teapot.

And literally every society and civilized person has passed judgment outside of law. In point of fact it is only through judgment outside of law that we create law.
Evidence can be seen here on this thread, where most are engaged in a networked behavior dogpilling on Ernie, and Michael, denying Michael humanity, denying Ernie the possibility the negativity online could cause him harm.

Almost as if to think of Ernie as a vulnerable person who is hurting is unthinkable. Almost as if ridicule of Michael is somehow different if you found out he was a real person who read the attacks upon his personhood and resigned.

That is how "feminization" works, get group approval to target the outsider to your group. And Ernie is so easy a target since he is not even here to defend himself here.
 


RFB Dan

Podcast host, 6-edition DM, and guy with a pulse.
Again, you mistake the court of public opinion versus rule of law. Twitter keeps evidence and that is forwarded for investigation of those users whose targeted harassment of Ernie may cause him harm. If that harm happens, the authorities have those Tweets, not you.

Civilized peoples do not pass judgements in the market place outside the law.
First off, you came in with an accusation; when asked to show us some sort of evidence, you keep bringing up law enforcement for some reason. Unless Twitter completely wiped all evidence of said "harassments," it should be relatively simple to grab a screen cap of it. None of us have seen it, and you are making the accusation, therefore you need to submit the proof or concede you don't have any; without proof most are not going to believe you.

Second, people don't pass judgement outside the law and in the marketplace? Have you read up on the Satanic Panic of the 80s? The PMRC? Tipper Stickers?
 

imagineGod

Legend
uhhh, aren't you passing judgment on Ernie's supposed harassers?
I never said those harassers should be banned. Yet those harassing Ernie want him banned.

Ernie Gygax is not TSR Games. He may be a shareholder but he is a real human.

Those people claim Ernie hurt, what are their names? Which individual did Ernie directly target dirrctly. I have not seen any evidence yet, just a witch hunt in the public square outside the law.
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
Evidence can be seen here on this thread, where most are engaged in a networked behavior dogpilling on Ernie, and Michael, denying Michael humanity, denying Ernie the possibility the negativity online could cause him harm.
No one is dogpiling on Ernie here. Ernie isn't HERE. Did you read your own cited paper?

Evidence can be seen here on this thread, where most are engaged in a networked behavior dogpilling on Ernie, and Michael, denying Michael humanity, denying Ernie the possibility the negativity online could cause him harm.
Speculating that the surnameless "Michael" may not be real is not in any way denying anyone's humanity. No one is calling him inhuman. We're speculating that he's fictional, because Justin LaNasa, the person known or believed to be behind the TSR Games account, is well established at this point to be dishonest, and he's also the majority owner of TSR Games, so the prospect that he's left the company is highly implausible.

Almost as if to think of Ernie as a vulnerable person who is hurting is unthinkable. Almost as if ridicule of Michael is somehow different if you found out he was a real person who read the attacks upon his personhood and resigned.
You haven't been reading the threads, then? In which dozens of us have expressed concerns that Ernie is being manipulated and used, as well as disappointment in his failures of judgement as an adult human being of whom we hoped better? In which many of us have thanked Rob for his efforts to reach out to his friend with empathy and try to correct his course?

That is how "feminization" works, get group approval to target the outsider to your group. And Ernie is so easy a target since he is not even here to defend himself here.
"feminization"? What on Earth are you talking about?
 
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Bolares

Hero
I never said those harassers should be banned. Yet those harassing Ernie want him banned.

Ernie Gygax is not TSR Games. He may be a shareholder but he is a real human.

Those people claim Ernie hurt, what are their names? Which individual did Ernie directly target dirrctly. I have not seen any evidence yet, just a witch hunt in the public square outside the law.
Ernie isn't here... or even on twitter. And you don't need to ask for someone to be banned to pass judgment on them. If you think they're wrong you are already passing judgment.
 

Steampunkette

Shaper of Worlds
Supporter
Evidence can be seen here on this thread, where most are engaged in a networked behavior dogpilling on Ernie, and Michael, denying Michael humanity, denying Ernie the possibility the negativity online could cause him harm.

Almost as if to think of Ernie as a vulnerable person who is hurting is unthinkable. Almost as if ridicule of Michael is somehow different if you found out he was a real person who read the attacks upon his personhood and resigned.

That is how "feminization" works, get group approval to target the outsider to your group. And Ernie is so easy a target since he is not even here to defend himself here.
Your first paragraph does not equate to harassment. As to denying Michael humanity, it appears to have been a ploy rather than an actual person they hired. Because they deleted the tweets that claimed Michael existed and acted like nothing happened. Especially since neither of them are here to be harassed by these statements!

The idea that negativity online could harm him? Not really something that's being argued. The question is what negativity has been launched at him. And the answer is: social shaming. Not harassment. Here let me give you an example.


Run through the various initial replies to this and you will see one person using a dirty word to refer to the company. The rest of it is all direct rebukes of their actions and the occasional sarcastic comment. None of it is threats of violence, stalking, sexual harassment, etc etc etc. Go deep enough into those 3.5 thousand comments and I'm sure you'll find more dirty words, but I highly doubt you'll see any sexual assault, death threats, threats of violence, stalking, etc etc etc. And certainly not enough to earnestly claim that it is a form of harassment campaign.

I am seriously not sure what the heck you mean by feminization. Would you care to define that?
 

BookTenTiger

He / Him
That is how "feminization" works, get group approval to target the outsider to your group. And Ernie is so easy a target since he is not even here to defend himself here.

Here's the Wikipedia definition of feminization:

In sociology, feminization is the shift in gender roles and sex roles in a society, group, or organization towards a focus upon the feminine. It can also mean the incorporation of women into a group or a profession that was once dominated by men.

Is that really what you meant?
 

imagineGod

Legend
First off, you came in with an accusation; when asked to show us some sort of evidence, you keep bringing up law enforcement for some reason. Unless Twitter completely wiped all evidence of said "harassments," it should be relatively simple to grab a screen cap of it. None of us have seen it, and you are making the accusation, therefore you need to submit the proof or concede you don't have any; without proof most are not going to believe you.

Second, people don't pass judgement outside the law and in the marketplace? Have you read up on the Satanic Panic of the 80s? The PMRC? Tipper Stickers?
And the Satanic Panic is the model of behavior you wish to justify as civilized behavior good for human dociturs?

Or the ridicule I read on this very thread against Michael ? Is that somehow good for our community? That Michael cannot be a human who got upset by the scorn online and stopped posting on social media for TSR?
 

Bolares

Hero
Those people claim Ernie hurt, what are their names? Which individual did Ernie directly target dirrctly. I have not seen any evidence yet, just a witch hunt in the public square outside the law.
Ah, here is the main point. To hurt someone you have to name them directly... So if I say that sons of game designers that say bigoted things on interviews are bad people I won't be hurting Ernie right?
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
I never said those harassers should be banned. Yet those harassing Ernie want him banned.
Banned from what? Quote ONE person.

Ernie Gygax is not TSR Games. He may be a shareholder but he is a real human.
That's a false statement. Ernie and three other people ARE TSR Games, according to TSR Games. He is their chosen primary spokesman. He's not merely a shareholder, but one of the few, primary, people in charge.

I have not seen any evidence yet, just a witch hunt in the public square outside the law.
Evidence of what? That he said offensive stuff? That the TSR Games and GiantLands accounts posted offensive stuff? The video and screenshots have been linked in these threads. There is no "witch hunt", and the misuse of that term here is absurd. Ernie chose to speak in the public square. People reacted negatively. No one is burning his house or harassing him personally. No one is calling the police on him. "Outside the law"... you'd rather people tried to sic the cops on him??
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
just a witch hunt in the public square outside the law.
And there it is.

@imagineGod, you have a history of using dogwhistle terms and alt-right buzzwords on this site. 'Cancel culture', 'lynchings', and so on. The warnings don't seem to be having an effect, because you're just carrying on regardless. The whole "evidence" and "law" argument is another commonly used alt-right term used by sea lions, which is what you're doing here. With 6 warning points to your name, all related to similar things. For the moment, please do not post again on this topic (note not this thread, this topic) while I discuss you again with the moderators.
 
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RFB Dan

Podcast host, 6-edition DM, and guy with a pulse.
And the Satanic Panic is the model of behavior you wish to justify as civilized behavior good for human dociturs?

Or the ridicule I read on this very thread against Michael ? Is that somehow good for our community? That Michael cannot be a human who got upset by the scorn online and stopped posting on social media for TSR?
I gave examples from what some would call the "non-woke" side of history of how this is done. You stated that this doesn't happen, and I gave you examples as to how it has. Flipping it to justifying Satanic Panic is merely a diversion at best.

And there is a huge difference. The people here are stating that, because of statements made by Ernie Gygax, Justin "Grits" LaNasa and others they will not support the business that is the new TSR. That's pretty benign. Compare it now to the Satanic Panic, where parents were given options to have their children sent to camps to be de-programmed of all things that the church-mob deemed "evil" such as D&D, Ozzy Osbourne, etc.
 


And the Satanic Panic is the model of behavior you wish to justify as civilized behavior good for human dociturs?

Or the ridicule I read on this very thread against Michael ? Is that somehow good for our community? That Michael cannot be a human who got upset by the scorn online and stopped posting on social media for TSR?
Maybe in the future, you can, you know, catch up with the rest of the thread before posting your walls of text? You might not have noticed but we had pretty much moved on to joking about Landsharks and Gamma World before you dropped back in, completely oblivious to the direction the conversation had shifted. So, you know, try to keep up please?
 

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