Why all the hatin'? Let's love.

It is not even about edition in many cases. Someone can like an edition, yet still feel that certain problems exist. For instance, someone can love 3e and still say that 2e did truffles better. Then that person, who may really enjoy 3e, gets flamed for disliking a few aspects about it.

I can be annoying.

I cannot say that I am always an angel, but I try to be diplomatic while here, even though I am sure that I have ruffled some people's feathers. Not sure what to do about it or if civility can really be enforced here, although ENWorld is better than most, which is one of the reasons I like it here.
 
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Quasqueton said:
Do you actually dislike [or hate] any edition of D&D? Can you like an edition without disliking another? Can you state your preferred edition without backhanding another?
No dislike from me. There's tons of things from 2e, for example, that I like.
And here is a big challenge: Can you state why you like *D&D* as a game/genre without referencing a particular edition of D&D?
Nope. It's a set of game rules, baybee... :)
 

Quasqueton said:
It seems to me that many people can't state their preference for one edition of D&D without in the same sentence stating their dislike of another edition.
We are gamers, hear us hate/loathe/dislike!

Do you actually dislike [or hate] any edition of D&D?
Not really. I started playing with 2e and despite its cruddy mechanics, it still has a warm place in my heart. I don't hate it, but I sorta passively dislike it. Both the mechanics and some of the stuff released during that time (Tanar'ri my butt!). I try not to go out of my way to slam it, but it happens sometimes.

Can you like an edition without disliking another?
We're gamers, what do you think? ;)

Can you state your preferred edition without backhanding another?
I do it all the time. ;)
The problem comes when other people start an edition war about something not really worth arguing about and I fail my Will save (Save vs Death for you 2e blokes) to resist getting drawn in.

And here is a big challenge: Can you state why you like *D&D* as a game/genre without referencing a particular edition of D&D?
Of course.
 

Quasqueton said:
Do you actually dislike [or hate] any edition of D&D? Can you like an edition without disliking another? Can you state your preferred edition without backhanding another?

And here is a big challenge: Can you state why you like *D&D* as a game/genre without referencing a particular edition of D&D?

I do not hate any edition of D&D. I can say that I enjoyed playing each of them at the time. I like 3.X the most, because I think there have been a number of improvements over earlier editions. Does that mean I dislike the earlier editions? No, but I probably would not be all that interested in going back and playing them, unless I am suddenly feeling nostalgic. Do I think 3.X is 100% superior to earlier editions? No, there are elements in earlier editions that I feel were done better.

And as for why I like D&D - there is only one answer to that which matters - I have fun playing the game.
 

I like D&D as a game/genre because (1) lots of people put out things for it; so much so that there is bound to be something I will like in there, (2) I find it easier to find players, (3) I think it's a good balance of quick easy rules and detailed game play.

I can't say I've ever hated a game system, but there have been many many times I disliked D&D up until the current version. The obscure and sometimes contradictory rules. No real way to make magic items. No skills (even proficiencies don't really count). Fire-and-Forget magic. Special exceptions made for so many things. Other stuff shoehorned in backwards or sideways, like unarmed combat. So many game systems in the 80's and 90's surpassed D&D in clarity, playability, and state-of-the-art rules that I'm honestly surprised it's still around.

OD&D was OK, but most of the games I played in were so heavily house-ruled that we might as well have been playing a different game everytime we sat down to the table. But for the most part we just didn't know any better.

AD&D 1E was OK and we had a lot of fun with it, but again with the house-ruling and arguements about rules. By the mid-80's we'd still play it sometimes but we generally played other things at least as often.

I can't really speak as to the red/blue/whatever boxed set versions: I never knew anyone that played using those rules alone. By then we were into AD&D and the concept of races as classes was just too much backpeddling for most people to take. We used a lot of the modules, though.

AD&D 2E was a good improvement, I thought. Not nearly the improvement it should have been, but good enough. We didn't have as many house-rules. But there was a real sense of 'too little, too late' after awhile. After a few years, the thought was basically 'Well, at least it's not 1E'. There was a lot of stuff coming out for it but I didn't pay much attention to it; it wasn't what I wanted to buy. By this time, most of us were playing Vampire or other WoD games, HERO, and a little GURPS with the occassional RuneQuest or Traveller or some other system. We still played AD&D from time to time but it wasn't the number one favorite.

So what kept us playing it all those years, even with better game systems out there?

Players. D&D was nobody's favorite game. But it was everybody's third or fourth choice. So to get a large viable player base, we went with that a lot more than we might have done so if more people could have agreed on something else to play.

3E brought everyone I know back to D&D. We've played it or a d20-related game almost exclusively since June or so of 2000, when we finally had enough hints to begin playing 3E (including a huge document from EN's original site).
 
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EricNoah said:
The thing is, even though I do like X better than Y, I can see why someone else might like Y better than X. Or even Z better than X and Y put together. It's no skin off my nose if someone likes what I don't, or doesn't like what I do.

Don't you even start with me about Y. Everyone knows that Y was a total piece of crap, and Z is far superior. And lots of folks really seem to like X, but I think it has a lot to do with nostalgia. We won't even talk about the people who like W.
 

Don't you even start with me about Y. Everyone knows that Y was a total piece of crap, and Z is far superior. And lots of folks really seem to like X, but I think it has a lot to do with nostalgia. We won't even talk about the people who like W.
A is the only true letter. All later letters were just pale imitations of the real thing.

Or something like that.

Quasqueton
 

Quasqueton said:
It seems to me that many people can't state their preference for one edition of D&D without in the same sentence stating their dislike of another edition. Or they can't compliment one edition without insulting another. It's almost like a player's preference is driven by negative emotion, "I like AD&D2 because I hate AD&D1 and D&D3."

I think the thing of it is, is that if I like one edition over another edition, it kind of follows that I like those other editions less than my preferred one. That may be what you are witnessing.


Quasqueton said:
Do you actually dislike [or hate] any edition of D&D? Can you like an edition without disliking another? Can you state your preferred edition without backhanding another?

No. Does that mean I want to go back and play 2nd edition or 1st? No, not really. I like 3rd edition now, and for me to go back to an older edition is simply counterproductive. But that's just my opinion. I don't like earlier editions as much as 3rd edition, but I don't hate them. I happily played 2nd for many years, and cut teeth on 1st.


Quasqueton said:
And here is a big challenge: Can you state why you like *D&D* as a game/genre without referencing a particular edition of D&D?

Don't ask me. I prefer HARP. :D
 

D&D? That would be very hard.

Several of the core concepts of the game (levels, hit points, character classes, dungeon complexes, others I could mention) are pretty dated to me. Sure, I like the D20 system in general, but I have never loved any of the D&D worlds, be it Greyhawk or Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms or Eberron.

I find most of the monsters silly or simply odd.

What I do love is taking some of the core mechanics and beating them into a type of game that I do like, until such time as I can convince other folks to try other games that I prefer.

That being said, I have had a lot of fun with D&D. D&D got me away from wargaming and all those miniatures battles (though that aspect is now more firmly entrenched back into the game) and for that I am extremely grateful.

But love D&D? Hmm, maybe as a vague concept meaning "roleplaying games in general", sure, but not really with any set of written rules.
 

Quasqueton said:
Do you actually dislike [or hate] any edition of D&D? Can you like an edition without disliking another? Can you state your preferred edition without backhanding another?

And here is a big challenge: Can you state why you like *D&D* as a game/genre without referencing a particular edition of D&D?

Loved them all.

I have enjoyed D&D since my first blue boxed set. I've played OD&D, 1st edition, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 3.5, Chainmail, etc. They are all the same game. The same concepts are there. The same base rule set. The same dice.

So the spell durations are changed. Or kits are now broken into class abilities and feats. Those are just window dressing. You are buying the same car, just a different level of trim.

Do you want more simple rules and less "crunch"? Then play OD&D.

You want lots of "crunch"? 3.5 or 3E

You want tons of supplements and sourcebooks? 2nd Edition.

You want "classic" gaming in the Caves of Chaos? You can choose Hackmaster, but it really is AD&D 1st edition.

You want to take up your sword or staff and fight dragons. Choose D&D. Any of them.

:)

It is sad to see the large number of people who do have to incessantly maintain that "my game is better than yours." Reminds me of kindergarden.
 

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