Why all the Second Edition Haters?
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DanielSchenstrom
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I have 1 new D&D campaign going and I have 13 finished or ongoing AD&D 2nd ed campaigns, tha latest of which started about a month and a half ago. I prefer 2nd ed greatly over it's newest incarnation.
Both myself and my players decided to not continue with the new D&D after a few months of playing. The added complexity just slowed things down too much for us to make it enjoyable. So we will finish the one campaign we started and after that the books will sit on my shelves looking glossy.
When 2nd ed hit I had just started playing 1st ed and it won me over with it's much clearer rules explanations. Unfortunately a lot of the details and some of the rationalizations never made it from 1st ed but I incorporated them into the game. As the new D&D has some good new ideas those are incorporated as well. So in reality it's a cross edition hybrid. 1-2-3ed?
Both myself and my players decided to not continue with the new D&D after a few months of playing. The added complexity just slowed things down too much for us to make it enjoyable. So we will finish the one campaign we started and after that the books will sit on my shelves looking glossy.
When 2nd ed hit I had just started playing 1st ed and it won me over with it's much clearer rules explanations. Unfortunately a lot of the details and some of the rationalizations never made it from 1st ed but I incorporated them into the game. As the new D&D has some good new ideas those are incorporated as well. So in reality it's a cross edition hybrid. 1-2-3ed?
johnsemlak
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Uh, THACO was around in 1e. My 1e DMG has it listed.shilsen said:
I think the basic issue is 2e is different enough from 1e to upset the 1e diehards, but not different enough from 1e to win over those who want a substantially improved game.
2e did make some legitimate improvements. But they arent' enough to make people appreciate them.
There's another important facter here. In the late 80's, TSR released a new edition of hte game and essentially forced people to buy brand new books of a game they had already invested in. People complained to death about it. At the end of the day, TSR didn't get away with what WotC has done twice in the past four years. Why? Well, good smart marketing by WotC is probably an important factor. But I think the different economic climate and greater affluence of gamers, many of whom are older and have good jobs. Most gamers can afford a $30 book nowadays, most can afford several. Really, those costs are very small compared with other entertainment options in this day and age.
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Calico_Jack73
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I don't hate 2E at all. In some ways I liked it better. As has been said before, 2E was the DM's edition since the majority of the products put out were geared toward people running games rather than playing. You really didn't need anything but the PHB if you were playing and the Complete books didn't change up things all that much. 3E is much more player intensive with all the splatbooks that have come out from WOTC as well as the 3rd Party Publishers. Makes perfect financial sense really... there are more players than DMs and the DMs will buy the books too to add NPC options to their games.
Calico_Jack73
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BelenUmeria said:Are you my clone?
You and I think too much alike.
Perhaps... if so according to the 2E AD&D Clone Spell I must now hunt you down and kill you. There can be only one...
![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
Calico_Jack73
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Bumpity bump bump bumpity bump bump... sorry but this discussion is too good to go to the second page. 
Yes, the idea of selling multiple books to players is basically new and people should be more aware that it didn't use to happen, it's obviously financially motivated, and it has a real effect (I think a largely negative one) on RPG campaigns if not on the industry.
This is of course a 3E-favouring board, but you can like the game and still realize that the choices offered to players with prestige classes etc. are to an extent illusory consumerist ones.
This is of course a 3E-favouring board, but you can like the game and still realize that the choices offered to players with prestige classes etc. are to an extent illusory consumerist ones.
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