Why is Palladium so ant-d20?

[Crothian]

That said, it's possible that GURPS has become more popular in the last few years - I doubt it has beaten out Palladium, though, but it may have advanced from being something like #10 to something like #5.

Actually, I'm fairly certain GURPS within the last 6 months has done better then Palladium. THe new GURPS has really been popular from what I've heard and Palladium really hasn't had any major hits since Chaos Earth. Palladium was actualy fallen from #3 until Chaos Earth had good sales. But that has fallen off in the past year.

 

[barsoomcore]

Didn't they do a d20 conversion of Exalted?

Nope, the fans would have stormed the offices if they did I think.

Do you think they'd storm my office if I did?

Not saying I'm going to. Nope. Not saying that at all.

 

[Crothian]

Do you think they'd storm my office if I did?

Not saying I'm going to. Nope. Not saying that at all.

If there was an offical release of d20 Exalted they would, but other fans have done fan versions of Exalted on the net.

 

[Doug McCrae]

For a well established game line with a solid customer base, going d20 means associating a good part of your image with the market leader and damaging your clear image in the public eye.

GURPS is fairly popular. I fail to see why going d20 muddies public perception while going GURPS doesn't.

 

[KaosDevice]

Also, in SJGames favor, GURPS has an absolutely slavish core audience that tends to buy whatever the most recent GURPS book is primarilly to have it. Being someone who owns multiple editions of a few GURPS books I'm not casting aspersions, just pointing out that adds up to a chunk of change over the year just from the addicts alone. I also think GURPS 4e is doing pretty well. I for one, have been pretty impressed with it. I'm not sure if Palladium has that same sort of near obsessive core audience of buyers. Also, as has been pointed out else where, SJGames makes more then just RPGs as far as I know RPGs are all Palladium makes. That's obviously got to effect the rankings.

 

[Turjan]

GURPS is fairly popular. I fail to see why going d20 muddies public perception while going GURPS doesn't.

Well, you don't think it makes a difference if a game that holds somewhat around 15% of the market uses a system that holds something between 45% and 75% of the market (depending on the source where you get your numbers from ) or one that has an about 3% appeal? The first example will severely alter the perception of the game, the second is a mere curiosity .

 

[Crothian]

GURPS is fairly popular. I fail to see why going d20 muddies public perception while going GURPS doesn't.

Well, from what I recall when GURPs Vampire came out, many of the core Vampire fans were not pleased with what White Wolf allowed to have happen.

 

[Turjan]

Also, as has been pointed out else where, SJGames makes more then just RPGs as far as I know RPGs are all Palladium makes. That's obviously got to effect the rankings.

Right, these are things we should keep neatly apart. The statistics we are after include only direct RPG products, no miniatures, no CCGs and no novels. It's the pure RPG sector where WotC claims to hold roughly 75% of the whole market. The discrepancy to Ken Hite's numbers is explained because WotC sells most of its books via normal bookstores or internet outlets like amazon, and these don't show up in the game and comic store statistics.

 

[Nisarg]

I seriously doubt that Palladium is still the #3 company in roleplaying. The 2000 WotC market data is 5 years old (predating the entire d20 era), and the Ken Hite data is highly suspect even by his own admissions. We have no accurate, up-to-date information on the status of the industry.

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We generally know that WotC is #1 and White Wolf is #2, and from there it is debatable. AEG, Mongoose, Steve Jackson, Palladium, FanPro and such are jockeying for position. From what I've seen, I'd say Mongoose is #3 or #4, and Palladium has slipped, since the amount of space I've seen devoted to them in the several FLGS I know has shrank steadily over the course of the last 5 years. Steve Jackson just announced a gross of $2.8 million last year, I doubt that makes him 3% of the industry, gaming isn't a particularly huge industry I'm afraid.

So you're challenging Ken Hite and Ryan Dancey's partially inaccurate statistics because they are "suspect", and then replacing them with your own completely made-up statistics based on what you saw at your one local store?

Hmm....

Nisarg

 

[warlord]

Originally Posted by Kanegrundar
OR allow me to put up my own extensive conversion up online without fear of reprisal.

Kane could you please e-mail me this extensive conversion?