Wishes question

[orion90000]

Hate to say it, but I don't think this discussion got anywhere. Anyone else feel dizzy from going in circles?

 

[orion90000]

Would any of the arguements have changed if the PC was lvl 10 or 15? If so why?

 

[kitcik]

But what we're talking about is an ability that is supposed to be "level inappropriate". Like giving a +5 Vorpal sword to a 5th level character, it's way over the top. (Wealth guideline for a 5th level character is waaaay below the 162,315 gp value of that blade.)

As was pointed out, Regen 5 can be gotten for 5 feats. Normally a Wish can grant you a single feat. Trying for 5 is pretty clearly "inappropriate" for a level where a single Wish was made available. It's over the top, by a factor of 5.

Now it's been suggested that you give them a series of Flaws to pare them back to an appropriate power level, instead of just giving them the power and acknowledging that it's there with some form of CR adjustment. That works. My game doesn't use Flaws, so i didn't think of that, but it's a good solution as well.

My preferred solution, by the way, is to just say "No" to such a request. If they insisted I'd warn them of the price, because it is over the top. Then, if they agreed, let them have it.

I completely agree with EVERYTHING you say here. What I don't agree with is your earlier suggestion of giving them an ECL adjustment and the related XP as a "penalty." It wouldn't work. You need to "just say no" (as you suggest) or find an alternate penalty if they insist (like the flaws).

If I Wished to be 5 levels higher and you said "I'm warning you, this is inappropriate. If you make this wish, you will gain a bunch of XP and move up more slowly after that!" I would assume my snarky smile and make the Wish.

Would any of the arguements have changed if the PC was lvl 10 or 15? If so why?

Probably by level 15, fast healing 5 wouldn't matter much - so may be "level appropriate" with no penalty. On the other hand, it's the same spell, and to say it can be used by one player for one thing and not by another player for the same thing would be pretty tough to administer.

 

[orion90000]

Still not sure what everyone is talking about when they say the PC would get bonus/free XP.

In my book tacking on a LA means that the character would have to earn LA*1000 more each level to level up. There wouldn't be any retroactive adjustments. The PC wouldn't get free money to match him to his wealth by level (ECL) score.

Where is this magical benefit that I'm overlooking by tacking on a LA?

As far as the pain of having to calculate everyone's XP differently, that's no problem. I created a spread sheet that can calculate individual xp pretty quick. Also, wouldn't this go into effect when a player dies, creates a magic item, casts a spell requiring XP, etc.?

I'm really lost in this thread.

Why does a wish have to have repercussions? If it were a Miracle spell which is dictated by divine intervention or a Genie granting the wish, then that would be understandable. But an arcane wish spell would alter reality to your whims. Why would that whim turn you into a troll, or make you colorblind and lame in compensation?

Overbalanced? There is so much metagaming in these forums that overbalanced is a joke. Characters with 15 different classes but multiclass penalties never enter the equation.

I don't mean to rant.

A simple question: How much of the troll's +5 LA is the Regen 5? Answer that for me. I propose +2.

 

[kitcik]

Still not sure what everyone is talking about when they say the PC would get bonus/free XP.

In my book tacking on a LA means that the character would have to earn LA*1000 more each level to level up. There wouldn't be any retroactive adjustments. The PC wouldn't get free money to match him to his wealth by level (ECL) score.

Where is this magical benefit that I'm overlooking by tacking on a LA?

See post #26.

Why does a wish have to have repercussions? If it were a Miracle spell which is dictated by divine intervention or a Genie granting the wish, then that would be understandable. But an arcane wish spell would alter reality to your whims. Why would that whim turn you into a troll, or make you colorblind and lame in compensation?

By RAW, you can Wish for anything. No limits. But, if the power of your Wish exceeds the parameters of the things listed in the Wish spell, the Wish spell specifically calls for repercussions. See post #21.

A simple question: How much of the troll's +5 LA is the Regen 5? Answer that for me. I propose +2.

That appears to be the consensus, with some saying less. Up to you to decide as DM in your own world what a Wish can grant without repercussions.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

I'd Wish for the Multiverse's most amazing Cheese sandwich for my character to be able to eat, and see what the DM would do in reaction.

 

[kitcik]

I'd Wish for the Multiverse's most amazing Cheese sandwich for my character to be able to eat, and see what the DM would do in reaction.

Come to the NYC area and track down the Gorilla Cheese truck.
Simple American cheese + sauteed jalapenos + crumbled bacon = amazing
Buffalo chicken = awesome sauce

EDIT: I just realized today is Thursday and the truck will be stopped outside my office!!!!!!!

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

Come to the NYC area and track down the Gorilla Cheese truck.
Simple American cheese + sauteed jalapenos = amazing
Buffalo chicken = awesome sauce

EDIT: I just realized today is Thursday and the truck will be stopped outside my office!!!!!!!

Having been born and raised on Long Island with Manhattan as my playground, I am surprised I've not ever encountered this wondrous vehicle before.
That would be my Wish, and the DM can RP what happens when a New York City vehicle and truck driver appear in our fantasy universe.

 

[jonesy]

That would be my Wish, and the DM can RP what happens when a New York City vehicle and truck driver appear in our fantasy universe.

It's not that big of a stretch. New York already guest starred in IM1 The Immortal Storm. Just travel to Mystara and make your wish.