Wizards become the "needed" character over Clerics

[Shun]

Don't you think good DM's will adjust the adventures to make it fun for the players, no matter what classes they want to play?

The best campaigns I've been in involved characters either of similar classes or similar races. It didn't matter that we didn't have a Wizard or a Cleric, or that we were all halflings, because the DM made it fun and balanced anyway.

 

[Shemeska]

Where were you and all your friends last edition?

With the exception of one person (not me), not playing D&D. Virtually all of us started with 3e. I never saw a problem with 3.x clerics, so I'm at a bit of a loss why the 4e designers saw the cleric as suddenly being a problem they needed to fix (if a problem existed, I think they'd already solved it). 4e clerics seem to be moving back towards being heal-bots from what I've seen (admittedly, I'm not paying tons of attention).

 

[Nifft]

Don't you think good DM's will adjust the adventures to make it fun for the players, no matter what classes they want to play?

Part of the promise of 4e is making it easier to be that good DM. If it's imperfect in that regard, it's nice to know where. You don't think your "good DM" got that way by ignoring such holes in the system, do you? I suspect he was good because he knew the holes, and kept them out of your view.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Shun]

Part of the promise of 4e is making it easier to be that good DM. If it's imperfect in that regard, it's nice to know where. You don't think your "good DM" got that way by ignoring such holes in the system, do you? I suspect he was good because he knew the holes, and kept them out of your view.

Cheers, -- N

"Good" for me is keeping the game fun, interesting, and fair. And at times there's no doubt he did that by ignoring the holes, or problems, in the system.

Plus we all knew the rules inside and out so it was tough to keep them out of view.

All I'm saying is that if you feel that a party absoultely needs a certain type of class, your group is doing something wrong. You don't have to follow the rules verbatim.