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[The Little Raven]

Nah. We won that war.

Been a while since we could say that.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

They burnt the White House in the next one though. We never really got them back for that. Think it's too late at this point?

Yeah but that grudge is in the book, maybe it takes a few hundred years but eventually it always comes back around you just have to be willing to pass it down.

Note for reference the Welsh (and their descendants) don't hold Grudges. We squeeze the life from them and preserve them for future generations. My aged Welsh grandmother still prays every year on the anniversary of Charles coronation that he'll be assassinated. "Nothing personal he's a nice boy, but no Englishman can be a Prince of Wales" I remember her telling me when I was eight.

 

[Aldarc]

Yeah but that grudge is in the book, maybe it takes a few hundred years but eventually it always comes back around you just have to be willing to pass it down.

Note for reference the Welsh (and their descendants) don't hold Grudges. We squeeze the life from them and preserve them for future generations. My aged Welsh grandmother still prays every year on the anniversary of Charles coronation that he'll be assassinated. "Nothing personal he's a nice boy, but no Englishman can be a Prince of Wales" I remember her telling me when I was eight.

Note for reference: Wales is a made-up country. So any talk of the Welsh holds about as much weight as talking about leprechauns and unicorns.

 

[Fifth Element]

They burnt the White House in the next one though. We never really got them back for that. Think it's too late at this point?

Here in Canada we like to say that we burned the White House in 1814. Hey, we were still Brits at the time, and there were probably Canadian troops involved, so we'll take it.

 

[HeavenShallBurn]

Note for reference: Wales is a made-up country. So any talk of the Welsh holds about as much weight as talking about leprechauns and unicorns.

The name Wales is made up but the Cymre aren't. And before this devolves too far into politics and causes a lock I will correct you.

There was no nation of Wales but there were many petty kingdoms sharing a common culture in what is now called Wales. And how many people would recognize it if I spoke of the Cymre? Not too many, you use what terms will be understood even if they aren't truly correct. And even in a historical context the reputation of clannishness and unwillingness to give up a grudge is well established even as a stereotype.

 

[Aldarc]

The name Wales is made up but the Cymre aren't. And before this devolves too far into politics and causes a lock I will correct you.

There was no nation of Wales but there were many petty kingdoms sharing a common culture in what is now called Wales. And how many people would recognize it if I spoke of the Cymre? Not too many, you use what terms will be understood even if they aren't truly correct. And even in a historical context the reputation of clannishness and unwillingness to give up a grudge is well established even as a stereotype.

All you just did was rename a leprechaun a fairy.

 

[Hussar]

Not bad. Minor quibbles with humans being the "most resilient" (dwarves?), and with halflings becoming river-plying merchants (first of all, generally speaking, they bear little to no resemblance to the hobbits anymore even in passing or potential; second, this takes the cultural space of the Selkies in FFZ, though that's probably not much of a big deal).

I don't mind the Dragonborn history (though now their name makes even LESS sense!), the Tiefling history is golden for a non-PS tiefling (very Sword and Sorcery, really) without necessarily contradicting PS tieflings (the core race is just one present on a given material plane...there's plenty more out there on the planes), the elf split is one that serves the elves pretty well, dwarves being the slaves of giants makes perfect sense....

I'm not sure how I feel about the halfling size boost. Does this make them Medium-sized? Does this mean the core book has no Small-sized races? Just "slightly shorter" and "slightly larger" humans? Weren't dwarves about that height in 3e, and considered medium creatures? (odd in and of itself, with "dwarf" meaning "small")

I still think I would've LOVED the "trickster rabbit" approach to gnomes, but in time, I'm sure.

I can accept this. I'm not in passionate love with it, but I'm definitely not offended by it, so it's a positive development.

Well, judging by prior bits we've seen, the whole "small race" was a proud nail that got pounded in. And, let's face it, it really is pretty hard to justify something as small as a halfling having more than about a 12 Str. My 3 year old daughter is about 3 feet tall and 25 pounds. That's halfing sized or close enough. It's just way too small to be any sort of realistic. It's fine if you ignore it, but, really, I can see how it might annoy people.

Better for halflings to be a bit bigger (and let's face it 4 feet tall is bloody short) and do away with small races entirely.

 

[Merlin the Tuna]

Here in Canada we like to say that we burned the White House in 1814.

You Canadianese like to say a lot of things. Chief among them are "Eh" and "Aboot."

 

[ZombieRoboNinja]

I don't see a problem with the "ancient empires" thing. Look at a map of Western Europe and tell me how many countries you can spot that DIDN'T have a world-spanning empire within the past thousand years. And that's just with sailing ships and such... do you really think if we'd had widespread flying vehicles and teleportation for the last several millennia, there wouldn't have been a succession of world-spanning empires?

 

[Hussar]

You Canadianese like to say a lot of things. Chief among them are "Eh" and "Aboot."

Lard T'underin' Jayzuz George, whadderya talkin' aboot eh?