Worlds of Design: In the Shadow of Tolkien

How much does Tolkien’s body of work influence you fantasy role-playing games?

When were you first interested in Tolkien's works compared to when you played FRPGs

  • I was interested in Tolkien's works well before I got into FRPGs

    Votes: 81 48.2%
  • My interest in Tolkien's works and FRPGs happened about the same time

    Votes: 57 33.9%
  • I became interested Tolkien's works well after I got into FRPGs

    Votes: 26 15.5%
  • I've never been a fan or influenced by Tolkien's works

    Votes: 4 2.4%

The answer is likely predicated on if you came to Tolkien before you came to FRPGs.

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"Nobody believes me when I say that my long book is an attempt to create a world in which a form of language agreeable to my personal aesthetic might seem real. But it is true." - J. R. R. Tolkien

I read the Lord of the Rings (LOTR) when I was in my late teens, about seven years before original Dungeons & Dragons was released. (The Hobbit came later for me.) This is long before any LOTR movies, of course. Most of you have read LOTR (or watched the Peter Jackson movies) long after the release of D&D, I suspect, but still we can ask which came first for you, LOTR or D&D?

Which Came First (for You)?​

I’d suppose that Tolkien is likely to have a greater influence on your gaming if you came to Tolkien before you came to fantasy role-playing games (FRPGs).

This also might depend on when you started playing FRPGs. When I first played D&D (1975) the assumption was that the GM would mine fantasy novels and stories, and myths and legends, for ideas for his/her campaign. I remember hunting down Stith-Thompson’s Motif Index of Folklore Literature (in Duke Library), surely not something many GMs do today (even though today it’s a free PDF rather than huge paper volumes). There were few adventure modules and even fewer ready-made settings to buy. With this approach, Tolkien would be one author amongst many, maybe foremost but still just one.

Gary Gygax listed in Appendix N of AD&D the novels/novelists that had influenced him, including many long preceding LOTR. I’ve read most of the books listed in the Appendix, but I suspect many younger people have read few of them. Working from the list, Jeffro Johnson in his book Appendix N: the Literary History of Dungeons & Dragons, by reviewing these books, has ably demonstrated that there were a lot stronger influences on D&D than Tolkien.

Tolkien’s Expanding Influence​

Even before the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movie (1978) I gauged the likelihood that someone would like D&D according to whether or not they’d read The Lord of the Rings. (Many give up because the book starts slowly.) If they had not read it, prospects were much less rosy. Now, with many movies (Peter Jackson’s, Bakshi’s, and the Rankin Bass follow-up to Bakshi, and others more obscure), and even a LOTR TV series (Rings of Power), I don’t rely on my old view. On the other hand, so many more people are aware of LOTR (and of RPGs) than in the pre-movie past.

More recently, adventure modules and even settings of all kinds can be found online, including many that are free. GMs don’t have to make up adventures or settings, they can use someone else’s creations. Further, many of the old fantasy authors are virtually unknown to recent generations. But with the movies, Tolkien is even more well-known than when there were only books. Do the movies make Tolkien a stronger influence? Or do GMs today just accept whatever adventures/settings they acquire and not change much? For most these days, likely the latter.

Beyond Tolkien​

If you want more discussion of Tolkien’s influence, see my previous articles (Escaping Tolkien and Reassessing Tolkien’s Influence). As I wrote this, I asked myself, what’s the biggest influence likely to be, after Tolkien?

Conan the Barbarian (whether the savage Robert E. Howard version, or the more tempered ones by other authors that followed)? Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? Dresden Files? David Eddings’ Mallorean and Belgariad? Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn? Harry Potter? Superhero movies? Something from Appendix N days such as Poul Anderson’s Three Hearts and Three Lions?

Your Turn: Do you think the timing on your exposure to Tolkien’s works influenced your FRPG play?
 

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Lewis Pulsipher

Lewis Pulsipher

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I think for me the personalities and perspective of the elves and dwarves are my heaviest Tolkien influence. I have switched up their cultures in many ways but there is always a touch of Tolkien in them all.
 

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One thing I realized reading this thread... you people are (almost) all kind of young :D I'm 66 (67 in 3 months) by the way.
Hello from France,
You’re so old, I’m only 60.🤣
Started rpg and Tolkien at the same time, 1981/1982 when I was 17.
Don’t Forget the use of « Vancian « magic for D&D, Jack Vance wrote very interesting books.
And if you want to see a group like in D&D you can read: Where evil dwells from C D Simack 1982.
Much older and dry: The King of Elfland’s Daughter from Lord Dunsany 1924. Maybe in Gygax appendice.
I think Tolkien contribution is the same as others, a strange and wonderful world where monsters and magic exists, open to adventure and mysteries.
 

I grew up with The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. I'm the youngest of four, and our dad would read to us every night all through autumn, winter and spring. So we had Tolkien, but also Earthsea, The Dark Is Rising and The Weirdstone of Brisingamen. And probably more that I can't remember right now.

When I started playing D&D (and The Dark Eye, which is what I began with), it was dungeon crawling. I think I tried to recreate Moria (didn't we all?), but I didn't play much at all early on. By the time I found a regular group, I was at university and the greatest influences were Celtic mythology and Arthurian romance. Nowadays my tastes run to space opera or grimdark sword & sorcery.

On a related note, I've just finished The Silmarillion for the very first time, and I'm rereading The Fellowship of the Ring for the first time in two decades. But here's the thing: I'm listening to the audiobooks, narrated by Andy Serkis. They're absolutely fantastic. Maybe because my first introduction to Tolkien was through my dad reading the books aloud, but for me this is the way to go. I really appreciate the detail of the descriptions and the storytelling.
 

On a related note, I've just finished The Silmarillion for the very first time, and I'm rereading The Fellowship of the Ring for the first time in two decades. But here's the thing: I'm listening to the audiobooks, narrated by Andy Serkis. They're absolutely fantastic. Maybe because my first introduction to Tolkien was through my dad reading the books aloud, but for me this is the way to go. I really appreciate the detail of the descriptions and the storytelling.
I've heard the Andy Serkis versions are good. I have the ones by Rob Inglis. One really great aspect of his version is that he's got an excellent singing voice and is able to bring the songs and poetry to life.
 


I've supervised extended essays on Tolkien (a 4000 word research paper that is required for International Diploma graduates) for the past two years running. I mention this because it indicates that Tolkien remains evergreen - young folks are still getting lost in his world. Oh, and both students were in D&D Club (shocker).
 
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I was exposed to D&D the year after I read the Hobbit. Read Hobbit in 4th grade, and later that year had my first D&D Adventure with the Erol Otus Green Dragon. I learned the basics of combat. But it was not related. It was oh you liked the hobbit come play this after lunch.

5th grade is when I really got into D&D. But at this time, it was making our own wargame out of Grenadier Models. We picked out of our gold grenadier boxes like it was a kickball team, and made an extremely rudimentary rules. Small guys move two half pencils big guys move 3 half pencils. This gets 3 shots that gets 2. He can take 3 shots, etc. I think it was us mimicking OD&D that we played ONE time with my friends older cousin. By the end of 5th grade year, we were on Keep on the Borderlands. We just thought it was all part of The Hobbit.

This is around the time I had a (-29) AC because I wore Padded under Leather under chain under banded under Plate. I fought with 2 halberds. Good times.

My first played adventure with a vague understanding of rules was Cult of the Reptile God N1, but by that time in early 6th grade I knew enough it was separate from "The Hobbit". My biggest fantasy influence before that were the old movies like Ivanhoe. Or Superfriends going back to the middle ages.
 


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