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5E WotC Shares Theros Table of Contents

Russ Morrissey

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Reynard

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Legend
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It's still surprised to see no hoplite fighter archetype.
Something that makes spears good.
If you have Odyssey of the Dragonlords, they have both a 'Hoplite' Fighting Style and a 'Hoplite Soldier' fighter subclass, both of which lean players into playing spear & shield warriors. If all you want are the player-facing material for that book, you can get the Player Guide to Odyssey for free on DMs Guild. It also includes Greek-themed subclasses for all twelve classes for those that want more character options.
 

darjr

I crit!
Interesting.

Here is the players guide Odyssey of the Dragonlords: Player's Guide - Modiphius | Free Products | RPG Quickstarts | Odyssey of the Dragonlords | DriveThruRPG.com

And here is the "Adventure Book" Odyssey of the Dragonlords: Player's Guide - Modiphius | Free Products | RPG Quickstarts | Odyssey of the Dragonlords | DriveThruRPG.com

Which is a full adventure path/rulebook. Interesting. Nice to see WotC kind of experimentation in books like this in 3rd parties.

Note those are my affiliate links.
 

Giltonio_Santos

Adventurer
I thought it was TSR's CCG debacles.
It was a mix of bad business decisions, some of which included releasing a lot of stuff for settings that weren't actually that popular among the player base. It appears that the current management at WotC disagrees that publishing many settings was what made TSR fail.
 

darjr

I crit!
It wasn't the only thing. It combined with box sets that cost more to make than they were sold for. A questionable financial relationship with their distributor, that was more gambling than sound business. Way, way,way over printing an otherwise successful product snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (dragon dice, among other things). Not knowing what their customers wanted, or really what they were buying. An over inflated level of hubris like when dealing with DC comics telling them that they would bury them and the one sided vendetta against WotC. Forcing a game line as an excuse to buy the CEO's families Buck Rogers license.
 

Green Onceler

Explorer
Oh, so you are the arbiter of really real D&D?
Personally, I don't think it is unreasonable for long time fans to be uncomfortable with the current trend of releasing TV show themed product for Dungeons & Dragons. I'm not a D&D player, so I certainly don't claim to be any type of arbiter, but I'd be disappointed if my favourite game was releasing this kind of product too. It seems like a bit of a sell out to me. Like seeing Flavour Flav on reality TV, it just doesn't seem cool.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Personally, I don't think it is unreasonable for long time fans to be uncomfortable with the current trend of releasing TV show themed product for Dungeons & Dragons. I'm not a D&D player, so I certainly don't claim to be any type of arbiter, but I'd be disappointed if my favourite game was releasing this kind of product too. It seems like a bit of a sell out to me. Like seeing Flavour Flav on reality TV, it just doesn't seem cool.
How dare the company that makes D&D release popular content that D&D players want! The nerve of some companies!
 


Parmandur

Legend
They can do whatever they like. I just said to me it seems lame and I don't blame fans of the game for feeling uncomfortable with it either. Are we not permitted to disapprove of a company's commercial decisions?
You are welcome to do whatever. But nobody gets to say what is "real D&D" like they own the concept.

Critical Role is real D&D, Magic Settings are real D&D.
 

Lem23

Adventurer
I have no interest in the magic settings, little interest in eberron, planescape, dark Sun, spelljammer and the like, started with d&d back in the early 80s, think curse of strahd was overrated, don't tend to buy adventure path books, and don't have even the slightest interest in a psionics book.

I'm happy that wotc have released the above books, and that the others will eventually see the light of day, because while I'm not a fan, there are thousands of people out there who are, will enjoy the crap out of them, and run some amazing games for their friends with them, and, most importantly of all, it won't affect my gaming fun by even the slightest amount at all.
 

They can do whatever they like. I just said to me it seems lame and I don't blame fans of the game for feeling uncomfortable with it either. Are we not permitted to disapprove of a company's commercial decisions?
Not all longtime fans. I started with OD&D white box back in 1978 and have never taken a hiatus from playing. I have some of the same players from back then. And every single one of us would rather see all the MTG settings come out before a single rehash of old settings*. I just don't come onto the forums and attack people whose views are different from mine.

*True only since Eberron was released. Eberron is the only old setting that I was interested in seeing get a reboot.
 

Kurotowa

Adventurer
How dare the company that makes D&D release popular content that D&D players want! The nerve of some companies!
You say that now, but TV themed D&D starter sets are a step down a slippery slope. Next thing you know WotC will make the jump to sponsoring their own D&D themed TV show. It'd probably be some sort of watered down animated series aimed at children, from the way they're going. Which would be completely without precedent and a betrayal of everything the brand stands for. Nope, can't think of anything like that having happened before. ;)
 
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I have no interest in the magic settings, little interest in eberron, planescape, dark Sun, spelljammer and the like, started with d&d back in the early 80s, think curse of strahd was overrated, don't tend to buy adventure path books, and don't have even the slightest interest in a psionics book.

I'm happy that wotc have released the above books, and that the others will eventually see the light of day, because while I'm not a fan, there are thousands of people out there who are, will enjoy the crap out of them, and run some amazing games for their friends with them, and, most importantly of all, it won't affect my gaming fun by even the slightest amount at all.
And it might even expand the number of people available to play with. Not everyone enters through the same door.

I haven't bought most of what WotC has put out for 5E. (I have the three core books, the revised screen, Xanathar's, Volo's, Tome of Foes, Yawning Portal and Curse of Strahd.) I don't begrudge anyone else a product they enjoy that doesn't do anything for me. (Even Forgotten Realms fans ;) )
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Personally, I don't think it is unreasonable for long time fans to be uncomfortable with the current trend of releasing TV show themed product for Dungeons & Dragons. I'm not a D&D player, so I certainly don't claim to be any type of arbiter, but I'd be disappointed if my favourite game was releasing this kind of product too. It seems like a bit of a sell out to me. Like seeing Flavour Flav on reality TV, it just doesn't seem cool.
I'd agree with you if it was the only type of product being released... but it's not. People get a great adventure product every year, and even got a "classic" setting Eberron last year.

Buy what you like, avoid what you don't. If enough people have the same preferences, you'll get more of what you like.
 

I kind of get where you are coming from, but, I don't mind them releasing settings and adventures that will appeal to other groups. I don't have to buy them. I am interested in this one, primarily because of the Greek based setting. However, I am not crazy about learning yet another pantheon. I miss the Greek, Norse and other gods. Luckily, it sounds like with this book, it'll be easy enough to swap out the pantheon for the Greek pantheon. Unfortunately, my Greek mythology is pretty rusty these days. This might motivate me to brush up on it.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be hard to get the dedicated Greek myths book of your choice, or even just Wikipedia, and convert everything over to Greek myth and keep it all on a 3x5 card. Heck, I bet there's an audience for a 99 cent conversion doc like that on DMs Guild.
 
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It was a mix of bad business decisions, some of which included releasing a lot of stuff for settings that weren't actually that popular among the player base. It appears that the current management at WotC disagrees that publishing many settings was what made TSR fail.
Trying to support them all with ongoing lines is often seen as the bigger issue. WotC has been creating fire and forget settings, and letting folks like Keith Baker and Ed Greenwood take over support on their own on DMs Guild, which doesn't pose the same sort of risks for WotC.
 

I don't like them releasing most Magic: the Gathering settings. Ravnica, IMHO, should not have been released as a setting book, but it's great if certain people like it. Theros is a lot better. It's greek-mythology themed, and I have a longstanding love with Greek Mythology. I am very excited for a lot of the content in this book, especially the Glory Paladin, Satyr race, stats for Typhon (which I really hope is the mythology equivalent), Oracles, Nymphs, Harpies, Hydras, and the Hundred-Handed Ones.
 

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