Wow- How did I miss this all these years??

[Thurbane]

Which is it? On one hand you say that the SRD is not official D&D, and on the other you say that if it isn't in the SRD it isn't official D&D. Seriously, man, figure out what you're saying, because these four consecutive sentences are directly contradictory.

I think someone needs some ranks in Diplomacy.

FWIW, I found what Shin posted pretty clear, and not especially contradictory...

 

[the Jester]

Looking at where the feat is located in the book - it would appear as if it was "intended" to be an optional feat that could be used to help juice up magic items in the game. Which as somehave pointed out has been somewhat addressed in the changes in magic items made in 3.5 itself.

More evidence that this was an "optional" feat is in the way (and location) it was presented.
Much like the way that Collegiate Wizard and Precocious Apprentice are presented in Complete Arcane.

Yet, unlike the optional rules in the ELH, it is not called out as optional. It's in the middle of the text, not a sidebar. I'd say it's just oddly placed, is all.

 

[FEADIN]

Yet, unlike the optional rules in the ELH, it is not called out as optional. It's in the middle of the text, not a sidebar. I'd say it's just oddly placed, is all.

That's why it was forgotten.
I think it's not overpowered, I haven't seen it in a powergamer build

 

[werk]

That's why it was forgotten.
I think it's not overpowered, I haven't seen it in a powergamer build

Not a lot of powergamer crafters...that I've seen.

 

[Quartz]

So the save DC of the basic Wand of Hold Person is 10 + 3 + 1 = 14... and then you adjust the DC for saving throws required by the magic item, if any, by your key ability modifier, which is +4.

14 +4 = 18.

But that's double-dipping on the bonus, which isn't allowed. It's 'adjust...' not 'add...'

 

[Hypersmurf]

But that's double-dipping on the bonus, which isn't allowed.

How so? You adjust the save DC (which has a formula) by your key ability modifier. I'm not double dipping on the bonus, any more than a Marshal with an aura that adds his Charisma modifier to his Charisma-based skill checks.

It's 'adjust...' not 'add...'

If you're adjusting by a positive number, that's addition.

The DC is 14; I adjust it by +4. Unless I also adjust it downwards by the modifier of the minimum ability score necessary to cast the spell, the result is 18, not 17... and nothig in the feat describes such a second adjustment.

-Hyp.

 

[Arkhandus]

I'm confused......where is this feat, anyway? I don't see it anywhere in the Epic Level Handbook. Are ya sure it was in that book?

 

[Thurbane]

Yep, it's in there, but not in the feats section. Page 114, under "More Use From Old Magic Items" in Chapter 3.

 

[Quartz]

If you're adjusting by a positive number, that's addition.

Granted, but you're not adding the whole of your bonus. You take the better, as if it were cast by yourself. Otherwise a mage with Int 19 (+4) could scribe a scroll of Meteor Swarm (standard DC 23) then immediately cast it with DC 27, as if the mage had an Int of 26. Not quite right.

 

[Zurai]

Granted, but you're not adding the whole of your bonus. You take the better, as if it were cast by yourself. Otherwise a mage with Int 19 (+4) could scribe a scroll of Meteor Swarm (standard DC 23) then immediately cast it with DC 27, as if the mage had an Int of 26. Not quite right.

At the cost of two feats, two days of crafting, 153 xp, and 1,912.5 gold.