[XPH] Psion versus Wizard/Sorcerer

[Thanee]

Now you're just making stuff up.

You obviously did not get what I meant there (and why I said "metamagic" instead of metamagic/metapsionic)... see below for explanation...

Sorcerers can stack metamagic effects on the same spell. Psions can't (until Epic levels).

Actually they can (two at least)... but it costs more feats!

Ok, what I meant is simply, that psions by the nature of their powers get the abilities (or at least primary abilities) of many metamagic feats - and not just pointless ones, but rather some sorcerers often spend feats on - for free!

Here's the list again...

Eschew Materials (generic not metamagic, just for completeness)
Silent Spell
Still Spell
Heighten Spell (only DC, not the actual spell level increase (globes and such))
Energy Substitution (Energy Missile, ...)

Then Empower and Maximize, while they are a bit more powerful in comparison than an augmented power, are not that much better. It's probably not very useful for a psion to even get those feats, because of the reduced efficiency since they can just use the additional PP to augment without spending a feat.

That's all without any feats or psionic focus crap.

Isn't that way ahead?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

A psion using metapsionics is not only restricted to using lower-level powers, but can't augment those powers as far because metapsionic feats contribute towards the power point cap.

Please also don't forget, that metapsionics are one level less than equivalent metamagic.

Bye
Thanee

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Look here.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=229469

 

[Thanee]

Hmm... only thing of importance there is the actual first post (the talk about being able to burn through ones PP quickly... well everyone should know that by now ), which talks about durations.

From what I have seen, the durations are pretty much the same, tho.

Dominate has been fixed (or will be soon).
What else has significantly shorter durations?

Bye
Thanee

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Hmm... only thing of importance there is the actual first post (the talk about being able to burn through ones PP quickly... well everyone should know that by now ), which talks about durations.

From what I have seen, the durations are pretty much the same, tho.

Dominate has been fixed (or will be soon).
What else has significantly shorter durations?

Bye
Thanee

Moment of Prescience, but I'm sure you can find the rest in your copy of the XPH.

 

[James McMurray]

I wager that Moment of Prescience will receive the same "we forgot an augmentation" erratta that Dominate got.

 

[reiella]

Uhm? I like my explanation much better, tho, as expending the focus is not much of an issue for metapsionics (it is for Power Penetration, but that is twice as powerful also to compensate).
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Bye
Thanee

Erm, Focus is a bit of an issue, and it's also been stated by the developer that the reason for the reduced cost was becaue of the Focus cost [WotC Psi boards]. That and it makes it kinda obvious as to 'why' Extend Power doesn't follow suit . But eh.

And was refering to the feat that allows you to cast a personal power on someone else .

So, a psion can 'compete' with a Sorcerer in a "Single Metamagic Spell' with one feat [Psionic Meditation] (out of 5). They can compete with a Sorcerer in terms of 'Double Metamagic Spell' with three feats [Psionic Meditation, Psicrystal Affinity, and Psicrystal Containment]. Assuming that you consider the 20 DC Concentration check equal balance for the ability to "prepay" the cost.

Also, since I noticed some folks brought it up, but they didn't get detailed.

The Anti-Psionic Cheese :
The anti-psi feats [obviously and mentioned]
Glossolalia [sets an ugly precident for 'custom' spells to be able to stutter Psionic Focus completely at higher levels].
Mental Pinnacle, not necessarily anti-psi, but bleh blah as I mentioned above.
Psychic Turmoil, a passive 'Catapsi'-esque effect.
Catapsi EEVIL

 

[Drow Jones]

Hmm... only thing of importance there is the actual first post (the talk about being able to burn through ones PP quickly... well everyone should know that by now ), which talks about durations.

You should check also the table posted by Malukuboy later in the thread. He made this table to remind him how many powers his psion could use per day per level. Pay close attention to the levels 6+ on this chart...

Check also the first and the last posts on this thread:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230366

- DJ

 

[Thanee]

I have seen that table, but it seemed rather pointless to me, as you cannot divide psionic power usage by power level that way...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

And was refering to the feat that allows you to cast a personal power on someone else .

Heh. Now after looking up what this line was meant to reply to, I got it, but there was something in 3.0 (I'll ask our psion player next time we play), which did what I said. Or he did it wrong, but that's unlikely at least.

Bye
Thanee