You are all GODS!!

[HolyMan]

@HolyMan: Could I switch out Destiny for another domain, it seemed like a good idea at the time?

Thanks for all the brainstorming some of thos ecould be used in conjunction with other iedals I have or may give someone else an ideal.

And go ahead characters have not yet been fully approved sigh,, except for maybe Rathan's

HM

 

[HolyMan]

Here:


So, how many points does each size and number of dice cost? Also, what is the cost of the cooldown timer? I don't even know what size of breath weapon would be worthwhile. Starting to sound like a traitpoint sink I can't afford. No offense intended, just not sure I can afford to make the breath weapon worthwhile, depending how it costs.

Hmm didn't re-quote me LOL Umm... it is like it says you could:

A) spend one trait point and get +2 to any stat or...
B) spend one trait point and go up one size, and get +4 STR, -2DEX, +2CON (shouldn't you get the grapple bonus and AC penalities too?)

And the breath weapon is just what we can agree on Sunking has a good start just try negotiating LOL

HM

 

[HolyMan]

ML do you remember what I said about putting too much of yourself into your character? Well every time someone mentions they don't like something about your character is not your cue to go ranting about it. He was using it as a base example and he was right. A few of us took the liberty of drawing our characters up to be the be all end of of Gods or Goddesses, YOU are included in those few. Why this is a problem is because it gives you more a reason to play your Goddess as 'I'm better than you because I'm older, now go away'. Not saying you'd play her this way (however you've already leaded towards it, such as knowing our names and what we are the gods of.. you're meta-gaming based on your background!). For one this is wrong, bad form, and completely hinged on character BACKGROUND and not what the character has EARNED in the game. I could be a creator deity with 1000's of worlds created under my belt before I got to the grey mist. HOWEVER, once I'm there, I'm NO better than you. That's the START of the game and everyone should be on equal keel. Yet I see you constantly asking for new rules and new ways to make yourself better than everyone else, weather you mean to or not. Weather it be your weapon, stats, or just trying to weasel your characters past into the present to show your character is far superior are ALL signs of why Glass is 110% correct. We need baseline rules. Things like.. "sure you're background is pretty... you may be only an aspect of your true form sent here... however your character knows nothing of this... the slate is clean... anything from the past cannot be used... period. Same with my background. I would surely have access to the elemental plane of fire even though I can't go there however my power from my background is null and void because this is a FRESH start. I should have what I paid for and start from THERE.

I'm NOT afraid to say you are the majority of my problem with this game ML and you frustrate me to no end with little addons to the rules just so it fits YOURS character. Weather you realize it or not that gives your character an edge, allbeit a small one but it still upsets players because they DON'T have the special weapon (which I'm glad HM stuck to his guns on.. thank you HM) or whatever have you.

Sunking is the other part of my problem in the way he completely slapped us all in the face and basically said "screw you guys.... I can't play this character so let me just give you a big middle finger". It's not OUR fault you can't play a Lawful character in a room full of chaos. That what this comes down to and to be honest anything else you bring to to table as a concept I'm going to have a hard time respecting after what you pulled.

Just thought I'd be honest with you all and voice my VERY frustrated opinions here with you all. It's not to piss people off, but more to show you how close I am to saying "you know what?... It's not worth it... I'm done" and I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not the only one

In my defense I was rushed into starting without thinking through any rules other than, you can't kill each other here.

And your welcome I will always try and keeo things balanced when it comes to the numbers/crunch.

Sorry to hear though that you are upset by the direction any suggestions?

HM

 

[HolyMan]

ML vhy if you look back i suggested DR 7 in the begening but in the end its up to HM what he wanna run, just like its up to us if we wanna run with what HM puts up.

But this diskusion is turning wery personaly should we descuse what we should do instead of name calling.

1) continue and se were this is going

2) reeboot and start with a overgod calling the shots

3) just throw mud, playing the blame game and wait for people to slowly leave the game.

Sorry things have gotten to Chaotic, not my intent. But I thought we were forming a game when we (as a group) decided to go with VV posted charactyer gene rules. I know I could have upgraded the DR but with everything you get at DR1 it looked to me that earning it would be more memorablie. A sort of "a-ha now I have these immunites or now I can use my domain powers I am mightier than before." That's why I stuck at DR0 and didn't budge.

And what your characters know is totally up to all of you there was some good roleplaying going on. I don't see where things went down hill. Maybe you as players didn't like Sirion's Curse, but look at it from a DM's point of view. An NPC antagonist to give you grief as you make your way in a new world, maybe behind the scenes maybe not, The Cult of Sirion, I mean the ideals just were flowing he did me a favor.

Whatever "beef" is going on really needs to be put out to dry, if ML's character is playing Heliasillyel as a miss know-it-all that is fine becaus she does have a mighty big Know(religion) modifier.

But what you allow her to know depends on you, your background might say this but later on we find out it wasn't that way at all. Don't tell me everyone hear has done their backgrounds before and kept them carved in stone. Background is 50% truth mixed with 60% rumor.

Ok I need a Roll Call and a what do you wish done.

HM

 

[Theroc]

Hmm didn't re-quote me LOL Umm... it is like it says you could:

A) spend one trait point and get +2 to any stat or...
B) spend one trait point and go up one size, and get +4 STR, -2DEX, +2CON (shouldn't you get the grapple bonus and AC penalities too?)

And the breath weapon is just what we can agree on Sunking has a good start just try negotiating LOL

HM

I was asking if you intentionally changed those values. As normally going from medium to large is +8 strength, -2 dexterity, +4 con, +2 NAC, -1 attack

Are you deviating from the standard here? I'm still not quite sure.

I'll get to work on deciding how many points I'm willing to spend on a breath weapon.

Edit:
Here's a link to the table I used from the SRD. I verified with the monster manual but forget the page number. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/improvingMonsters.htm#sizeIncreases

 

[HolyMan]

I was asking if you intentionally changed those values. As normally going from medium to large is +8 strength, -2 dexterity, +4 con, +2 NAC, -1 attack

Are you deviating from the standard here? I'm still not quite sure.

I'll get to work on deciding how many points I'm willing to spend on a breath weapon.

Note my standard really i got these rules from VV and twiked them a bit, but I see why they were brought down a character could spend:

2 points and get +8STR, +0 DEX, +4CON, +2NAC, -1 attack???(what does that mean?)
OR
3 points and get +16STR, -2DEX, +8CON, +4NAC, -2attacks

WOW I like the change better or everyone will be walking around Huge sized LOL

HM

 

[Rathan]

Listen it was not my intent to fly off the handle in fact I never really did... I was perfectly calm when I wrote than response to the rants it was just me venting a bit because it seems no one can come to an even keel on anything here and it's frustrating. I have also been having some r/l family health issues that I've allowed myself to get too wrapped up in and have been trying to play the whole 'I'm the one in the family the needs to keep things held together'.. in light of that my stress levels have been on high. To be honest it's no excuse I should leave it at the door and for the most part I do. I will work on this personally to avoid this again.

I have REALLY enjoyed the character interactions thusfar in the Mist. It's all the rules and the patchwork forms they are taking that is hard to keep up with, coupled with the constant butting of heads both rules and character dynamic wise that's giving me some unease here. I WANT to make this work as I've ALWAYS wanted to make a God or Goddess to play.

As for being thrust into something you were not prepared for... as of late r/l HM... I KNOW how you feel LOL. You are doing your best whereas I am not, which is rare for me I'm usually the one in the middle keeping the two parties from warring heh.

In short I apologize for my venting earlier it should have been done in private... or not at all in some aspects. I hope those involved will forgive me.

EDIT: On a side note HM... I plan never to leave meduim size unless it's due to a spell effect ....

 

[GlassEye]

well i understand you the problem with sirion was as i said that I made him to rock fast and to lawful, the curse was not to give you the finger but to show whar sirion meant about your present course it was giving him a big exit instead of just fading, it was me realising having mad a LN stuborn PC in a group of primary Chaotic PC's werent somthing i would wanna play...

Im saying sorry i made a mistake I should have looked at the group dynamik when i made my god, but i would rather remove him now the become bored about playing him and let you down by posting to little.

Sunking, I owe you an apology. I made an assumption about your motive for setting Sirion aside and I should have remembered that it is impossible to know a persons motives in a forum setting. I'm sorry.

As for making a mistake about the group dynamic that isn't your fault. Your character was the third one posted; there was no way you could know what the dynamic was going to be. So don't blame yourself for that.

C) The Forger is just creating the world, nothing in it. He will be making the shell as it were, anything to do with religion, locations, and all are on the PCs. Also when you reach a high enough DR you can change things.

E) What I wanted was to play a game were the PCs were the gods of the realm they would go forth and create mythos and have adventures for their worshippers to tell. I have no plans on anyone fighting Zeus or Zeus like gods. But it seems everyone wants to play DR11 or higher gods and go out and smite everything that gets on their nerves. LOL

note: I think Zeus was a God(outsider20HD) Fighter 1, DR0 when he fought the titans. At least I hope he was because that's what I have planned for you.

F) I'm really don't want to scrap this but we need to all get on the same page.

Thank you for addressing each thing I brought up. In most cases, your replies clarify things for me. I'll follow your lettering format for clarity.

C) This is the confusing one for me. What encompasses 'the world'? Is it just the physical geography of the earth or does it include plants, animals, and sentient races? It kind of sounds like it is just the physical geography of the world (that's me being very literal minded; I'm a very literal minded person. It's just one of my failings.) but I can see that that might not be the case. Warning: another assumption upcoming... I assumed that the special outsider traits from CrazyMonkey by way of VV were just special outsider racial rules that we were using along with the divine rules from the SRD. So, I assumed that 'the world' includes sentient races since by the divine section of the SRD gods can't create objects until DR 6, gain an increase in mass at DR 11, and can finally create living things at DR 16.

E) I want this, too. I also thought (hoped?) we would be creating things. My thought has been covered so I won't continue it again.

note: I never considered Zeus in this light.

F) I don't want to scap it either. As I posted several pages ago, I have really enjoyed just about everything that has happened involving this game. But I'm afraid that now I've broken it with no chance of repair.

In my defense I was rushed into starting without thinking through any rules other than, you can't kill each other here.

We were all excited about this game and we all wanted to get it going IC as soon as we could. That's some pretty intense pressure to get things moving. I don't blame you for that at all.

Sorry things have gotten to Chaotic, not my intent. But I thought we were forming a game when we (as a group) decided to go with VV posted charactyer gene rules. I know I could have upgraded the DR but with everything you get at DR1 it looked to me that earning it would be more memorablie. A sort of "a-ha now I have these immunites or now I can use my domain powers I am mightier than before." That's why I stuck at DR0 and didn't budge.

We all know you didn't intend for things to devolve to this point. And gaining power is a major part of the fun. Honestly, I was considering running a gods game before Sunking first brought this up where the pc gods started a lot less powerful than we are starting here (but with total creation powers, lol) with frequent power increases. Ironic, isn't it.

And what your characters know is totally up to all of you there was some good roleplaying going on. I don't see where things went down hill. Maybe you as players didn't like Sirion's Curse, but look at it from a DM's point of view. An NPC antagonist to give you grief as you make your way in a new world, maybe behind the scenes maybe not, The Cult of Sirion, I mean the ideals just were flowing he did me a favor.

I confess that could very well be true. I didn't like it even though I recognized that it was well played. My failing in this regard was assuming there were only two options for Sirion: 1) Sunking picking him up and continuing as if the curse didn't happen and 2) You, HM, picking him up and running him as an npc as if the curse never happened. Your option never even crossed my mind and is an awesome idea. I'm sorry I forced your hand to the point that you felt it necessary to reveal this. The surprise when we first encounter the cult of Sirion would have been one of those classic 'wow!' moments to remember for a long time.

But what you allow her to know depends on you, your background might say this but later on we find out it wasn't that way at all. Don't tell me everyone hear has done their backgrounds before and kept them carved in stone. Background is 50% truth mixed with 60% rumor.

Ok I need a Roll Call and a what do you wish done.

I hear the truth in this but at the same time I was trying to make my background as true as was possible.

Roll Call: I am here and want to continue, if there is anyone else who still wants to continue.

 

[GlassEye]

Listen it was not my intent to fly off the handle in fact I never really did... I was perfectly calm when I wrote than response to the rants it was just me venting a bit because it seems no one can come to an even keel on anything here and it's frustrating. I have also been having some r/l family health issues that I've allowed myself to get too wrapped up in and have been trying to play the whole 'I'm the one in the family the needs to keep things held together'.. in light of that my stress levels have been on high. To be honest it's no excuse I should leave it at the door and for the most part I do. I will work on this personally to avoid this again.

I have REALLY enjoyed the character interactions thusfar in the Mist. It's all the rules and the patchwork forms they are taking that is hard to keep up with, coupled with the constant butting of heads both rules and character dynamic wise that's giving me some unease here. I WANT to make this work as I've ALWAYS wanted to make a God or Goddess to play.

As for being thrust into something you were not prepared for... as of late r/l HM... I KNOW how you feel LOL. You are doing your best whereas I am not, which is rare for me I'm usually the one in the middle keeping the two parties from warring heh.

In short I apologize for my venting earlier it should have been done in private... or not at all in some aspects. I hope those involved will forgive me.

EDIT: On a side note HM... I plan never to leave meduim size unless it's due to a spell effect ....

Thanks for this, Rathan. It gives me hope that maybe we can work things out enough to continue this.

 

[Rathan]

Roll Call: I'm here and willing to hang in there... things need to get back to business and things needs to be closely watched to keep stuff like this under control. What I must ask is HM is do you have the time, patience, and sanity to still run this? heh